Thread: Champions chasing Challengers

Normally challengers chase champions but Sergio is doing his hardest to get the fight with JCC Jnr, giving up the super belt and almost begging for the match.

Any other examples in history that did this?

Originally Posted by Master

Normally challengers chase champions but Sergio is doing his hardest to get the fight with JCC Jnr, giving up the super belt and almost begging for the match.

Any other examples in history that did this?

For starters the middle weight division is a bit weak at the moment,going back in time Hagler went through all comers he had his super-fights and beat all the contenders.
Mind you the guy was fearsome,at his moment in time the middle weights was a very strong division
mind you I would say Sergio is no Hagler. You may think I'm being harsh on him and you can only
beat whose about at the time.
May be I was spoiled in the 80's with all them great fighters,I feel sometimes perhaps I may be to
critical of some of today's fighters.Remember if you eat T bone steaks,then you have burger I no what
I prefer you can have a good burger, but a T bone is in a diff rent class my friends.

Originally Posted by Master

Normally challengers chase champions but Sergio is doing his hardest to get the fight with JCC Jnr, giving up the super belt and almost begging for the match.

Any other examples in history that did this?

Interesting. I can't think of any right off hand, but I'm sure it's happened.

You basically need few ingredients for this to happen. You have to have a high-profile challenger or highly-ranked contender who gets more press than the champion. You have to have a sometimes unappreciated champion, who is miffed by the lack of attention that is rather given to the challenger. You have to have a champion that KNOWS he can kick the challenger's ass if only given the chance. AND... you have to have a challenger who's being protected at all costs by some higher up authority. Be it your own famous daddy, or the president of the boxing entity who is also in on the conspiracy to protect the challenger.

With Sergio vs. Baby Chavez it's: check... check... check... a-a-a-a-a-n-d..... CHECK!!

Middleweight is weak? We got a lot of fresh talent here, granted not all of them been really tested but it is not a division void of talent. As for champs chasing challangers Jack Johnson comes to mind.

Originally Posted by DavilaJones

Middleweight is weak? We got a lot of fresh talent here, granted not all of them been really tested but it is not a division void of talent. As for champs chasing challangers Jack Johnson comes to mind.

Johnson was chasing Hart for the title but cannot remember him chasing anyone else.

I believe you are correct, I think I was thinking of Johnson wanting to fight John L Sullivan but that's not a champ going after a challanger.

Originally Posted by DavilaJones

I believe you are correct, I think I was thinking of Johnson wanting to fight John L Sullivan but that's not a champ going after a challanger.

Not to sound like a boxing geek, but John L Sullivan was years before Jack Johnson.

The ones I could offer which are a bit dubious, could be :-
Hagler v Leonard
Holyfield v Tyson
Vitali v Haye

The Klitschkos are chasing cruisers and heavyweight challengers lately.

Hmm I swear I read somewhere when sullivan was asked why he wouldn't fight Johnson, he said he would never fight a Negro . Guess my memory is shoddy cause I checked and you're right Sullivan was an old fat man before Johnsons rise.

Originally Posted by DavilaJones

Hmm I swear I read somewhere when sullivan was asked why he wouldn't fight Johnson, he said he would never fight a Negro . Guess my memory is shoddy cause I checked and you're right Sullivan was an old fat man before Johnsons rise.

Yes he was supporting Jim Jeffries, the original white hope, to beat Jack Johnson.

Funny that you mention that. Last night i was watching the rise and fall of Jack Johnson and man I still feel bad for Ketchel. That short chopping right is the kind of punch that could kill a man.

Originally Posted by DavilaJones

Funny that you mention that. Last night i was watching the rise and fall of Jack Johnson and man I still feel bad for Ketchel. That short chopping right is the kind of punch that could kill a man.

I think you can see Johnson wiping away the teeth of Ketchel from his glove with that punch. Ketchel must have been the Julian Jackson of his era to knock down Johnson earlier.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Master

Normally challengers chase champions but Sergio is doing his hardest to get the fight with JCC Jnr, giving up the super belt and almost begging for the match.

Any other examples in history that did this?

Interesting. I can't think of any right off hand, but I'm sure it's happened.

You basically need few ingredients for this to happen. You have to have a high-profile challenger or highly-ranked contender who gets more press than the champion. You have to have a sometimes unappreciated champion, who is miffed by the lack of attention that is rather given to the challenger. You have to have a champion that KNOWS he can kick the challenger's ass if only given the chance. AND... you have to have a challenger who's being protected at all costs by some higher up authority. Be it your own famous daddy, or the president of the boxing entity who is also in on the conspiracy to protect the challenger.

With Sergio vs. Baby Chavez it's: check... check... check... a-a-a-a-a-n-d..... CHECK!!

not so sure about your assessment of the two fighters...

martinez 20th fight was against a guy with a record of 6-2-3. he won on Points in a 8 round bout.
chavez jr's 20th fight was against a guy with a record of 21-6-2. he won by 4th round KO.

martinez 30th fight was against an opponent with a record of 6-0-1. martinez won UD/8.
chavez jr's 30th fight was against an opponent with a record of 21-7-3 he won UD/10

martinez 40th fight was against a guy with a 1-7-2 record. he won KO5/8.
chavez junior's 40th opponent was 23-0-0. he won by UD/10

not sure why everyone complains about chavez junior's padded record when its clearly martinez who's consistently faced bunk opposition.

Also: martinez has fought 6 more fights than chavez jr... so if you were to erase the last 6 fights from martinez record; you'd find his most recent fight to have been a Draw against cintron. if you examine his record before that you'd have to agree that he's fought a bunch of nobodies.

Jones Jr comes to mind. Think he got a bit bored for a while there as he was calling out Tito a couple of times. Remember Mark Johnson yelling for Tapia endlessly while and after Tapia vacated. He jumped a division, so Johnson jumped a division etc. Has to be tons of lesser known champs who clamored to get any type of name in defense.

this is where it gets tricky, you see you can fight someone with a record of 30:30 like Emmanual Augustus or you can fight someone like a previously undefeated Rico Ramos. The number of wins and losses on a record at a glance are not always indicative as to the quality of the opposition.

i.e you can pad your record fighting someone with a padded record. Now I am not suggesting that Chavez jr. is doing that. I'm merely stating that the record of opponents at a first glance doesn't tell the full story.