Thread: Wladimirs resume is excellent...

Sam peter SD and UD James Toney. (Also note Peter beat the champ Maskaev too.) Toney's record in a nutshell::

-UD Vasilly jirov.
-TKO Evander holyfield.
-MD Hashim rahman.
-TKO Hasim rahman (changed to NC due Toney steroid abuse!)
-SD fres oquendo.
-UD Dominick guinn.

Chris Byrd UD David Tua. (Also note Byrd defeated Holyfield and drew with Golota!) Tua's record in a nutshell:

-TKO Hasim rahman
-Draw hasim rahman
-KO 1 john ruiz.
-KO 1 Michael moorer
-TKO 9 Fres oquendo.
-KO 6 danell nicholson.
-TKO 11 Oleg maskaev.

Wlad defeated Byrd and Peter twice. I think wlad's resume is very underrated.

Add to that:

-Ruslan Chagaev who was undefeated and a gold medaliist (defeated felix savon twice!) beat ruiz, valuev and undefeated # 10 ranked virchis as a pro!

-Eddie chambers who outboxed peter and dimitrenko.

-Calvin brock who was undefeated. Brock was the National golden gloves HW champ 1998. In 1999, he won the U.S amateur championship at 201 lb.

-David haye who was the WBA HW Champion.

-Southpaw tony Thompson TWICE!

-Eliseo Castillo who was undefeated. Holds a UD over michael moorer.

-Lamon Brewster. Noteable wins include stoppages over golota, wladimir and luan krasniqi.

-Hasim Rahman who won the titles in 2001 with a shock defeat of lennox lewis.

-Ray Austin. Best known for beating up an old golota and his draw with sultan ibragimov.

-Danell Nicholson who was 46-4. Holds wins over john ruiz and jesse ferguson.

-Derrick Jefferson who was the 1994 National Golden Gloves Super Heavyweight Champion handing Michael Grant his only amateur loss! Beat phil jackson and bert cooper.

-Sultan Ibragimov who was undefeated He was the WBO heavyweight champion. Best known for beating shannon briggs and asn asgeing holyfield in 07. Also beat lance whitaker who stopped maskaev in 02.

-Ray Mercer who was 30-4-1. A Olympic Gold Medalist and former WBO heavyweight title holder. Noteable wins include witherspoon and tommy morrison.

-DaVarryl Williamson who was 20-2. Williamson after losing to wlad went onto beat oliver mcall in 04.

-Axel schultz who was 26-3-1. Best known for his win over james bonecrusher smith in 94 and his robbery to old foreman and SD loss to michael moorer.

-Monte Barrett who was 23–1. Barrett was coming off of wins over phil jackson, the much overlooked jimmy thunder and greg page. He also went on to beat an ageing tim witherspoon.

-Jameel McCline who was 28-2-3. Mcline had just defeated shannon briggs and kayoed michael grant in 1 round.

-Phil Jackson who was 42-8. Best known for challenging lewis for the WBC Heavyweight Title in 1994.

-Paea Wolfgramm who was 18-1. Olympic silver medallist holds wins over jorge luis gonzalez (who is best known for fighting riddick bowe) and former IBO champ jimmy thunder (who holds wins over witherspoon, crawford grimsley, trevor berbick, tony tubbs and a debateable SD loss to john ruiz)..

Top resume indeed...

It is very solid. Who do you think has the better of the two brothers?

Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

It is very solid. Who do you think has the better of the two brothers?

Wlad, by a big margin.

Hes not very fun to watch though is he?

Originally Posted by imp

Hes not very fun to watch though is he?

For those with short attention spans who cannot appreciate the subtle nuances of a ring tactician like wlad no not very exciting! Earlier wlad however was more exciting but not the finished article...

Try these:

Wlad has a great resume! He's only lost 3 fights out of 61 total. He has 58 wins, 51 KO's for a KO% of 83.61% which is one of the best ever. Every rematch Wlad has had he has won & won by KO/TKO.

Let's look at KO% of other great Heavyweights
Joe Louis: 75.36%
Rocky Marciano: 87.76%
Lennox Lewis: 72.73%
Sonny Liston: 72.22%
Muhammad Ali: 60.66%
Joe Frazier: 72.97%
Mike Tyson: 75.86%
George Foreman: 83.95%
Vitali Klitschko: 87.23%
Larry Holmes: 58.67%

Wlad has fought more southpaws than any other Heavyweight Champion ever. Wlad has 13 successful title defenses in a row about halfway to Joe Louis' record of 25 which he has a shot of tying or beating if he would so choose to attempt that.

People say Wlad is "boring to watch", liking boxing is like enjoying ice cream. Some people are happy with whatever flavor, some people like the basics, some people like the crazy shit, and so on...people like what they like, if they don't like a guy who is technically sound, dominant, and usually wins by KO fine more power to them, but there are people that do enjoy watching Wlad fight he does pack stadiums wherever he fights. If he was to fight again in the US I am certain it would be a big deal and people would go to see it, I know I would try to. You might not like the style in which he fights but he's been an amazing boxer and the heavyweight division will be lucky to have another champion so dominant in the future.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Wlad has a great resume! He's only lost 3 fights out of 61 total. He has 58 wins, 51 KO's for a KO% of 83.61% which is one of the best ever. Every rematch Wlad has had he has won & won by KO/TKO.

Let's look at KO% of other great Heavyweights
Joe Louis: 75.36%
Rocky Marciano: 87.76%
Lennox Lewis: 72.73%
Sonny Liston: 72.22%
Muhammad Ali: 60.66%
Joe Frazier: 72.97%
Mike Tyson: 75.86%
George Foreman: 83.95%
Vitali Klitschko: 87.23%
Larry Holmes: 58.67%

Wlad has fought more southpaws than any other Heavyweight Champion ever. Wlad has 13 successful title defenses in a row about halfway to Joe Louis' record of 25 which he has a shot of tying or beating if he would so choose to attempt that.

People say Wlad is "boring to watch", liking boxing is like enjoying ice cream. Some people are happy with whatever flavor, some people like the basics, some people like the crazy shit, and so on...people like what they like, if they don't like a guy who is technically sound, dominant, and usually wins by KO fine more power to them, but there are people that do enjoy watching Wlad fight he does pack stadiums wherever he fights. If he was to fight again in the US I am certain it would be a big deal and people would go to see it, I know I would try to. You might not like the style in which he fights but he's been an amazing boxer and the heavyweight division will be lucky to have another champion so dominant in the future.

Klitschko has a doctoral dissertation and was awarded a Ph.D. in Sports Science. He also peaks five languages, is a chess master and a member of the magic circle! He also donate's milions to various charities..

The guy is just an exceptional human being. What an inspiration.

Its not short attention span as you would have to apply that to the majority of boxing fans.
Vitali is prob better to watch imho.
How would you rate vlads losses..would he still be exposed by those types of fighters?

One thing thats evident is that these brothers dominate this post lewis era. Whether you like their style or not.

Originally Posted by imp

Its not short attention span as you would have to apply that to the majority of boxing fans.
Vitali is prob better to watch imho.
How would you rate vlads losses..would he still be exposed by those types of fighters?

Purrity was a rookie mistake, wlad had been pro for 1 & half years only i believe and in that time had fought something like 24 pro fights so we can forgive him that one, plus he was dominating purrity up until the stoppage!

Brewster (who i always thought was underrated anyway) received a completely one-sided bashing and gets knocked down for the first time in his career, wlad gasses, brewster capitalises! The rematch was laughably one sided yet this was the guy that had 3 classics with golota, liakovich and krasniqi!

Sanders, who knows! Maybe sanders had wlads number, maybe not! Sanders proved how dangerous he was vs vitali, wlad and rahman! No shame in losing to sanders.

One was easily avenged, another would be easily avenged and as i said maybe sanders was wlads oleg maskaev!

Watch brewster here, on his day he was a devastating fighter:

Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER

Originally Posted by imp

Its not short attention span as you would have to apply that to the majority of boxing fans.
Vitali is prob better to watch imho.
How would you rate vlads losses..would he still be exposed by those types of fighters?

Purrity was a rookie mistake, wlad had been pro for 1 & half years only i believe and in that time had fought something like 24 pro fights so we can forgive him that one, plus he was dominating purrity up until the stoppage!

Brewster (who i always thought was underrated anyway) received a completely one-sided bashing and gets knocked down for the first time in his career, wlad gasses, brewster capitalises! The rematch was laughably one sided yet this was the guy that had 3 classics with golota, liakovich and krasniqi!

Sanders, who knows! Maybe sanders had wlads number, maybe not! Sanders proved how dangerous he was vs vitali, wlad and rahman! No shame in losing to sanders.

One was easily avenged, another would be easily avenged and as i said maybe sanders was wlads oleg maskaev!

Watch brewster here, on his day he was a devastating fighter:

Wow. First time i saw that one.
Brewster was an animal in that first round.
Cheers

Originally Posted by imp

Its not short attention span as you would have to apply that to the majority of boxing fans.
Vitali is prob better to watch imho.
How would you rate vlads losses..would he still be exposed by those types of fighters?

All people have their different opinions and likes and dislikes so that's fine, I understand it.

Wlad's losses to me show weaknesses he ONCE had, but they also show how far he's come as a boxer. VS Purrity and Brewster it's easy to see that he just threw too many punches, moved too much, and ran out of gas. All credit to Brewster and Purrity who withstood hellacious beatings to end up winning those fights. Unlike a lot of fighters who will fall in love with their power, Wlad took the opportunity to learn from those losses & box more, he learned to pace himself, and clinch when needed and he's not had stamina issues ever again. Wlad uses a strategy where he builds up points, wins rounds, and if the fighter looks like he's tired of getting punched in the head or looks like the punches are affecting him then Wlad finishes the job. VS Corrie Sanders I notice several things #1) Wlad's psyche for that fight #2) Wlad's strategy for that fight and #3) Wlad's lack of quick thinking when in danger. #1 Wlad was attempting at the time to get a title unification bout with Lennox Lewis at the time & was really put on the back burner until he was told/understood he would have to make 1 more title defense to prepare & give Lennox the time to prepare, so Wladimir went into the Sanders fight with little drive (so I would imagine). #2 Wlad had height & reach advantages vs the majority of fighters he faced, but never used them to the degree he does now. VS Sanders you see Wlad in more of a crouch, more prone to throwing big power punches, and apt to leave the left hand down too low and to his credit Corrie Sanders took advantage of all of that. #3 Once Wladimir got caught he was in the "deer in headlights" mode, he froze up mentally, he didn't attempt to tie up Sanders in good situations leaving his hands in a defenseless position and allowing Sanders to tee off. Between rounds Wlad didn't get his legs back....if I'm his trainer I don't know if I allow him to sit down after that round, you need him stood up, getting that feeling back and recovering.

After those fights you see Wlad learn, adapt, and dominate and I think it speaks to how smart and tough Wlad is and how hard he has worked at honing his craft. How many fighters who hit rock bottom are able to bounce back like him? The Baptism of fire that was the Sam Peter I fight really made him a new boxer and IMO was one of his more impressive victories because of how low he was at the time and how vulnerable he was vs how Sam Peter was supposed to be the next big thing. Wlad has shone damn near everything a heavyweight fighter can show, he's been cut badly and had to gun for a KO (so he thought vs Brock), he's been knocked down and gotten up to win (vs Sam Peter), he's not been behind on the cards and needed a KO though simply because he's too good of a technical boxer to have that happen to him.

in their prime

Bruno KO2 Wlad Klitschko

Originally Posted by Mark TKO

in their prime

Bruno KO2 Wlad Klitschko

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