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    Just wanted to see the effectiveness and correlation between the rear hook and overhand punch? How different are they and is there a good specific time to throw them? BTW Im a southpaw if that changes anything and just wanted to add some flavor to my rear hand. Its always dangerous fighting someone in the opposite stance due to the fear of the straight right/left but how about a rear hook or an overhand?

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    Default Re: rear hook/overhand

    Might be wrong here.

    From a orthodox perspective(just reverse left and right)
    But a overhand right, is when you step in and to the left as if you are going to weave under a right handed punch, as you duck down and slightly to your left, you throw a hard right handed hook to the head over the opponents guard.

    Very different punches, you would very rarely throw a overhand right.
    You are also on the inside after this punch has landed.

    A right hook can be throw any time but is usually after a jab or left hook.
    You remain upright (standing), when the punch is throw and better to finish with another jab or left hook, before you step away.

    Over hand right you are on the inside, also need to keep you hands high and close to your head, you head is close to their chest and you are slightly bent over, you want to remain close to the opponent so it is more difficult to counter, you would follow with a left to the body and be cautious when you move away.

    You don't want to throw many overhand rights, it is a power punch, and using this many times you become easy to predict.
    Its effectiveness comes from its surprise factor.

    > Its always dangerous fighting someone in the opposite stance due to the fear of the straight right/left but how about a rear hook or an overhand?

    Do you mean a cross.
    You can always circle away from their power hand, left against orthodox , right against a southpaw

    A good counter for a cross, is a fast jab before the cross can land.
    If they are throwing a straight lead(cross without a jab before), punish them by lateral movement(circle left or right) and a fast jab before their punch lands.

    If you can win a fight with a jab and a cross(straight rear), the better it is for you as you can block punches more easily and stay out of range from hooks.

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    Default Re: rear hook/overhand

    What Ive always called an over hand punch is like the old bolo punch takes a circle up over their shoulder like a bomb shot. (So its too easy to see one coming if its thrown at the wrong time,so you never do).

    Cause of the distance it travels (like a large swing its is the easiest to see coming) same thing except the overhand is on a 45% plane so you can use it and disguise it better if your feet work well and you use it when its supposed to be used.

    When you thik about it if you can launch it when the other guy is fully committed to a long jab or when he is pushing you back etc and he is leaning forwards with the push; and you can launch it hidden from his view he wont be able to block the ending of the shot cause its coming down at that point.

    Unless hes real sharp in the knees and shoulders he wont be able to deflect whats now coming down at him over his extended arm and it should be a temple shot and a finisher.

    That tells me that to use his commitment to punishment him best while over reaching is the right time. You should position your feet for the end of your shot during the avoidance of his reach. (theres a few ways) and really make it count cause he has created the blind spot himself that you have to move into to throw around. You can side step back on a 45% angle correct your other foot as you land the shot. Can go under and come up on his outside as the shot follows. You can even switch your feet as you go under or around his shot (like pulling the lead leg back then the rear goes out on the angle (that can give you the space and time to work if hes leaping in like a sword fighter does), Do it anyway it takes, so that the full power is there on the ending and its unseen.

    Oh and a swing shot is use less unless you have a smart ass weaver who in front of you bending at the knees using that for his head movement cause you are taking straight shots at a target thats moving sideways and he knows it. So you use one and you follow the path of the target (His head) as it goes in the U shape) you'll connect either on the end of his moment or on its way back and he wont do that smart assed shit in that fight any more.
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    Default Re: rear hook/overhand

    it is perfect weapon for a southpaw. you should add overhand into your arsenal.
    overhand could be used to counter jab in most of cases. For a southpaw, the perfect timing for a overhand is when your opponents throw a jab. You move your head slightly to the right and throw the overhand back at the same time. you can catch his chin unguarded easily.

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    Default Re: rear hook/overhand

    Best punch to use against someone in an opposite stance (e.g. orthodox vs southpaw) is the cross.

    If you want to use the rear hook, no matter then stance, I would use it when your opponent has a high guard (he may leave the ear area open) where you can sneak it in around the back. Like what Mayweather did to Cotto time and time again. He whips it in (taking speed & accuracy over power) but doesn't follow through.

    Overhand is a looping punch that comes from above in a semi-circular motion. You mentioned that you're a southpaw so presuming you're fighting against orthodox, use it when your lead foot is on the outside.

    1) As your opponent is coming in with a punch, dip your head to your right as you throw.
    2) He'll end up missing (may drop his guard) and if he threw a cross or jab, he'll falling into your punch.

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