Thread: Soldier butchered in street in Woolwich

Very Sad and disturbing. I have also noticed that a lot of racist ignorance has now flooded social networks as though being black, calling yourself a Muslim or not being white has anything to do with it. White Christians murder people too. They are sick, mentally unhinged, hate filled violent and cowardly scum. Spouting similar intolerant hatred isn't helping anyone. It just reveals your own prejudices.

This is just awful.
And I hated the reaction it caused in me. For the first time ever I felt a bubbling of predjudice and ignorant anger. It kept me awake much of the night last night. I'm just telling myself that the number of Muslims that would support something like this is statistically minute. But also, it does nobody any favours to ignore that that percentage is higher than it would be for Hindus, Christians etc.

To butcher and murder someone in such a way just proves you are a sick mentalist and anything else you care to spout after doing so is just propaganda. Calling them "muslim extremists" is just lending them justification for what is a cowardly act of violence. They represent nobody.

shocking sad news.

R.I.P

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

To butcher and murder someone in such a way just proves you are a sick mentalist and anything else you care to spout after doing so is just propaganda. Calling them "muslim extremists" is just lending them justification for what is a cowardly act of violence. They represent nobody.

Ok, but however wrong they are for doing so, they did do it in the name of Islam.
More people commit these types of atrocities in the name of Islam than do in the name of any other religion or cause. We should try to understand why. Not pretend that that isnt true. I hate prejudice in all its forms. These two people are deranged and deluded. They would have done evil things whether they were Muslims or not. They would have found another cause to kill for.
I think it's basically - A mentalist + Muslim grievences + radical teaching + sections of the Qu'ran relating to martyrdom = The rare incidents of attacks in the name of Islam.

I think it speaks volumes about how people have been raised in this country over the last few decades. A British soldier is killed by 2 vile pieces of shit in broad daylight who shout about how it's a repsonse to wars abroad, eye for an eye etc, and all the little white lapdogs run to the internet with the usual limp wristed "oh, you can't blame all foreigners, oh, white people kill people too, oh, what about the west bank and gaza strip?" excuses and grovelling. We've got a nation of bitches now, people who'd get on their knees and lick a muslims balls rather than risk offending them.

Originally Posted by ryanman

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

To butcher and murder someone in such a way just proves you are a sick mentalist and anything else you care to spout after doing so is just propaganda. Calling them "muslim extremists" is just lending them justification for what is a cowardly act of violence. They represent nobody.

Ok, but however wrong they are for doing so, they did do it in the name of Islam.
More people commit these types of atrocities in the name of Islam than do in the name of any other religion or cause. We should try to understand why. Not pretend that that isnt true. I hate prejudice in all its forms. These two people are deranged and deluded. They would have done evil things whether they were Muslims or not. They would have found another cause to kill for.
I think it's basically - A mentalist + Muslim grievences + radical teaching + sections of the Qu'ran relating to martyrdom = The rare incidents of attacks in the name of Islam.

All Muslims need to demand these kinds of people are never allowed into a mosque again ever. If they do it publicly and stand up against those who continue to do evil acts in Gods name, including child rape via underage marriages and mutilation of young girls private parts in that backward practice.
Then I and others may believe they are real about their so called religion of peace.

To be fair, some African Christian tribes that still practice child marriage need to be excommunicated as well.

Originally Posted by Larryboy

I think it speaks volumes about how people have been raised in this country over the last few decades. A British soldier is killed by 2 vile pieces of shit in broad daylight who shout about how it's a repsonse to wars abroad, eye for an eye etc, and all the little white lapdogs run to the internet with the usual limp wristed "oh, you can't blame all foreigners, oh, white people kill people too, oh, what about the west bank and gaza strip?" excuses and grovelling. We've got a nation of bitches now, people who'd get on their knees and lick a muslims balls rather than risk offending them.

You sound angry about it, thats to be expected everyone is but what can you do? Knowing too well there are some very good people in each race and every religion.

I'm NOT going to turn this into a gun control issue, but this is why people should be allowed to protect themselves at all times. It is a horrible tragedy and I hope those guilty of this crime are punished to the full extent of the law....they should hang those bastards and let their corpses rot from a yard arm the way they used to do with pirates!

I knew Muslims that would justify these murders too. They weren't nuts, they weren't extremists, they were guys who happened to be muslim, but they'd still defend it.

Originally Posted by Fenster

I knew Muslims that would justify these murders too. They weren't nuts, they weren't extremists, they were guys who happened to be muslim, but they'd still defend it.

I have Muslim friends and they are just as outraged and horrified about this as I am....I think it all comes down to assimilation into the Western culture.

What gets on my nerves and what worries me are the people on the left who try to defend the Muslim culture of intolerance seemingly with no sense of irony as those same lefties love the Women's Rights movement and LGBT equality/acceptance movement and those very same hardline Muslims would CRUSH those other liberal platforms if they gained any power at all. The hardcore no dancing, no drinking, Christians are one thing, but they have NOTHING on the devout hardline Muslims who stone to death women who have been raped...it's like the lefties are being so open minded all the common sense fell out of their heads.

The Muslims i'm talking about were born in the UK.

This has nothing to do with lefties. Nothing to do with being armed. Nothing to do with giving in or grovelling and being a nation of bitches. It has nothing to do with child rape or mosques or doing things in God's name. There is no easy equation that will help you come up with a magic answer to quell the horror you feel inside at how low people can stoop. It is right to feel revulsion and anger and hate because such a barbarous act is truly inhumane and vile. Just don't let it make you stoop to their level. Don't go out and join the EDL and batter a Sikh because he is browner than you are. Don't assume the colour of the scum that did this is any more defining than the pasty white skin of Anders Breivik killing 72 innocent people in Norway means that all blonde haired white people with far right tendencies are potential murderers. People use all kinds of justification for horrendous acts of savagery but their excuses do nothing to alleviate the guilt that they put over their own heads.


The press itself while under a responsibility to print the facts has not helped the situation by publishing photographs to maximise circulation and indirectly promote these madmens deluded nonsense.

Originally Posted by Fenster

The Muslims i'm talking about were born in the UK.

Doesn't matter where they were born or raised it's about assimilation to Western culture. You can be born someplace and not assimilate at all, it's happened several times before with immigrants refusing to learn the language of their new homeland, refusing to participate in the culture of their new homeland....it was the same with winning over the commies with blue jeans & rock'n'roll, it's all about assimilation. The Romans did that best, they would conquer a population, move the trouble makers to a land unknown to them and then move in loads of Romans to populate the conquered area with Romans...great idea really. And no I'm not suggesting we do that now, just saying historically that was significant and pretty fucking brilliant on their part.