Thread: "He's in it for the money"

This is another saying in boxing like "he got exposed" that annoys me. Lennox Lewis recently said that David Haye was only in boxing for the money. Well yes, every single fighter that we know about boxes for the money!

Now, I understand that most fighters have ambition and want to win world titles, but they are all in it for cash.

Example: you'll never see a born millionaire say "I think I'll get punched in the face, and do it for free for a living".

Haye is probably in it for cash, but so what?

Should he just fight and refuse pay?
Should he just ignore the obvious boxing gift. and ability he has and go work for £6 an hour in a call center?
Shouldn't we focus on the greats that got away with it? Ali? Tyson? Holyfield?

"If you're good at something, never do it for free" - Joker

I think you took it to literal no one who really gets boxing is against boxers who make hundreds of thousands or millions but when it becomes this guy doesn't love the sport it's only for the paycheck of course people will down talk him. There are people who do local shows for the love of the sport and training is expensive, when a boxer loses that they will be in trouble when they are taken into deep water.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

This is another saying in boxing like "he got exposed" that annoys me. Lennox Lewis recently said that David Haye was only in boxing for the money. Well yes, every single fighter that we know about boxes for the money!

Now, I understand that most fighters have ambition and want to win world titles, but they are all in it for cash.

Example: you'll never see a born millionaire say "I think I'll get punched in the face, and do it for free for a living".

Haye is probably in it for cash, but so what?

Should he just fight and refuse pay?
Should he just ignore the obvious boxing gift. and ability he has and go work for £6 an hour in a call center?
Shouldn't we focus on the greats that got away with it? Ali? Tyson? Holyfield?

"If you're good at something, never do it for free" - Joker

He is only in it for the money though. I'm not saying that as a negative point against him, bottom line is that Haye is an extremely talented fighter who wants to get in and out of the sport taking the most money for the least amount of punishment. He has a business model that sells. Incredibly smart really.

Originally Posted by bzkfn

Originally Posted by Vendettos

This is another saying in boxing like "he got exposed" that annoys me. Lennox Lewis recently said that David Haye was only in boxing for the money. Well yes, every single fighter that we know about boxes for the money!

Now, I understand that most fighters have ambition and want to win world titles, but they are all in it for cash.

Example: you'll never see a born millionaire say "I think I'll get punched in the face, and do it for free for a living".

Haye is probably in it for cash, but so what?

Should he just fight and refuse pay?
Should he just ignore the obvious boxing gift. and ability he has and go work for £6 an hour in a call center?
Shouldn't we focus on the greats that got away with it? Ali? Tyson? Holyfield?

"If you're good at something, never do it for free" - Joker

He is only in it for the money though. I'm not saying that as a negative point against him, bottom line is that Haye is an extremely talented fighter who wants to get in and out of the sport taking the most money for the least amount of punishment. He has a business model that sells. Incredibly smart really.

Couldn't agree more.

I mean what an idiot Lewis is, what where you only in it for a fight Lennox? I guess you gave up your purses?

I understand it, Haye wants a lot of money, for little work, who the fuck doesn't? If I could get punched in the face for 1% of what haye makes I would.

£7 million he took to fight Klitschko! 1% of that is £70,000, yes please.

Someone is paying Haye really, I didn't know he could get payed for doing what he does!
Which is nothing from my vantage point! Ray.

Yeah that's a stupid saying as every prize fight is specifically about money.

To be fair to Lewis though, he was refering to Haye's current position in boxing. Haye is no longer part of the new generation, he's been world champion and since the Wlad loss he's just looking for his best business option.

Originally Posted by ray corso

Someone is paying Haye really, I didn't know he could get payed for doing what he does!
Which is nothing from my vantage point! Ray.

Too right Ray. He does absolutely nothing. I'm sure you know this because you've seen every one of his fights. I'm also sure you've achieved plenty more than Haye in your life. Maybe one of these days he'll get off his lazy arse, make an opinion about someone else and sign it "Dave". That'll be worth a boatload of money.

I understand the issue with the saying, but there are guys who LOVE boxing that are no good (a good example is Mickey Rourke who left Hollywood to be a boxer) at it and there are guys who are really talented at boxing but don't really enjoy it as a career and only wish to do it because it could springboard them into another career or because it could make them quick cash. David Haye is the PERFECT example...if David Haye loved boxing, respected boxing, and truly wished to do well in the sport he's talented enough to make that happen.....BUT he seems to enjoy running his mouth more and being in front of camera. So I would agree with Lennox Lewis, he enjoys what boxing affords him and he is not in boxing to prove anything about himself or to the fans.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I understand the issue with the saying, but there are guys who LOVE boxing that are no good (a good example is Mickey Rourke who left Hollywood to be a boxer) at it and there are guys who are really talented at boxing but don't really enjoy it as a career and only wish to do it because it could springboard them into another career or because it could make them quick cash. David Haye is the PERFECT example...if David Haye loved boxing, respected boxing, and truly wished to do well in the sport he's talented enough to make that happen.....BUT he seems to enjoy running his mouth more and being in front of camera. So I would agree with Lennox Lewis, he enjoys what boxing affords him and he is not in boxing to prove anything about himself or to the fans.

Once again I agree. Just don't think it's needs to be pointed out like its a bad thing.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I understand the issue with the saying, but there are guys who LOVE boxing that are no good (a good example is Mickey Rourke who left Hollywood to be a boxer) at it and there are guys who are really talented at boxing but don't really enjoy it as a career and only wish to do it because it could springboard them into another career or because it could make them quick cash. David Haye is the PERFECT example...if David Haye loved boxing, respected boxing, and truly wished to do well in the sport he's talented enough to make that happen.....BUT he seems to enjoy running his mouth more and being in front of camera. So I would agree with Lennox Lewis, he enjoys what boxing affords him and he is not in boxing to prove anything about himself or to the fans.

For fucks sake....

So those 90 odd amateur bouts, including silverware at the highest level, and "world" titles in two weight divisions, is the "perfect example" of an underachiever that showed no love or respect for boxing and just conned his way to a few quid.

You'll find this hard to believe but David Haye actually existed before he challenged the Klitschkos. He didn't just appear out of thin air.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I understand the issue with the saying, but there are guys who LOVE boxing that are no good (a good example is Mickey Rourke who left Hollywood to be a boxer) at it and there are guys who are really talented at boxing but don't really enjoy it as a career and only wish to do it because it could springboard them into another career or because it could make them quick cash. David Haye is the PERFECT example...if David Haye loved boxing, respected boxing, and truly wished to do well in the sport he's talented enough to make that happen.....BUT he seems to enjoy running his mouth more and being in front of camera. So I would agree with Lennox Lewis, he enjoys what boxing affords him and he is not in boxing to prove anything about himself or to the fans.

For fucks sake....

So those 90 odd amateur bouts, including silverware at the highest level, and "world" titles in two weight divisions, is the "perfect example" of an underachiever that showed no love or respect for boxing and just conned his way to a few quid.

You'll find this hard to believe but David Haye actually existed before he challenged the Klitschkos. He didn't just appear out of thin air.

Belts and amateur careers don't mean you love boxing it just means talent, if Mikey Garcia becomes a great no one will be shocked he wanted to be a cop he doesn't love boxing.

Originally Posted by Onetime

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I understand the issue with the saying, but there are guys who LOVE boxing that are no good (a good example is Mickey Rourke who left Hollywood to be a boxer) at it and there are guys who are really talented at boxing but don't really enjoy it as a career and only wish to do it because it could springboard them into another career or because it could make them quick cash. David Haye is the PERFECT example...if David Haye loved boxing, respected boxing, and truly wished to do well in the sport he's talented enough to make that happen.....BUT he seems to enjoy running his mouth more and being in front of camera. So I would agree with Lennox Lewis, he enjoys what boxing affords him and he is not in boxing to prove anything about himself or to the fans.

For fucks sake....

So those 90 odd amateur bouts, including silverware at the highest level, and "world" titles in two weight divisions, is the "perfect example" of an underachiever that showed no love or respect for boxing and just conned his way to a few quid.

You'll find this hard to believe but David Haye actually existed before he challenged the Klitschkos. He didn't just appear out of thin air.

Belts and amateur careers don't mean you love boxing it just means talent, if Mikey Garcia becomes a great no one will be shocked he wanted to be a cop he doesn't love boxing.

Which brings us back to the original point - "He's in it for the money"

90% of fighters in history would never have been fighters without the money incentive. The other 10% are nutters

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Onetime

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by El Kabong

I understand the issue with the saying, but there are guys who LOVE boxing that are no good (a good example is Mickey Rourke who left Hollywood to be a boxer) at it and there are guys who are really talented at boxing but don't really enjoy it as a career and only wish to do it because it could springboard them into another career or because it could make them quick cash. David Haye is the PERFECT example...if David Haye loved boxing, respected boxing, and truly wished to do well in the sport he's talented enough to make that happen.....BUT he seems to enjoy running his mouth more and being in front of camera. So I would agree with Lennox Lewis, he enjoys what boxing affords him and he is not in boxing to prove anything about himself or to the fans.

For fucks sake....

So those 90 odd amateur bouts, including silverware at the highest level, and "world" titles in two weight divisions, is the "perfect example" of an underachiever that showed no love or respect for boxing and just conned his way to a few quid.

You'll find this hard to believe but David Haye actually existed before he challenged the Klitschkos. He didn't just appear out of thin air.

Belts and amateur careers don't mean you love boxing it just means talent, if Mikey Garcia becomes a great no one will be shocked he wanted to be a cop he doesn't love boxing.

Which brings us back to the original point - "He's in it for the money"

90% of fighters in history would never have been fighters without the money incentive. The other 10% are nutters

Most boxers come from deprived areas, money is their ONLY incentive.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

Most boxers come from deprived areas, money is their ONLY incentive.

True and they aren't usually the smartest either.


HOWEVER some guys still have this thing called pride and they will seek out opportunities to prove themselves as the best.


@Fenster David Haye had 1 fight in 2012.....just 1. Does that tell you anything about how seriously he takes the sport? Tomaz Adamek had 4 fights in 2012, Wladimir had 3, Wilder had 6. Haye likes the "flashy flash" he's all style and no substance...he's not a real boxer he's a sideshow and he's made himself that. The way Haye acts he's little better than Butterbean.

"He's in it for the money"

@Vendettos

I have deep philosophical problems with that phrase my friend. When I say problems I mean my own. Bit of a love hate relationship after 40 years. It starts with the grey matter that rests in between Archie Moore making literally 50 bucks a fight and his massive pay day of 800 dollars for a title fight against Maxim finally after 160 fights and a man that makes 30 million a fight and only fights once every year or two.

That was a rather long sentence.

Moore had to toil in obscurity to get enough money in order to feed himself to pursue legacy. Same goes for the rest of the Murderers row. They had to fight each other over and over. So I suppose in that sense "he was in it for the money"

My issue deep down is how money has taken over legacy. I mean from a puritan standpoint, the twisted interpretation of another phrase namely "risk and reward" is geared to that end. They have it ass backward.