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    Default Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    ...well, what do you think? I miss the 15 rounders.
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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    All World Title bouts should be 15 rds.

    $#!t separates the men from the boys.

    "The fight don't really start until the 12th. After the 12th, your balls are tight, your @$$hole locks up, and you want nothing more than to cry. The 13th-15th is what separates a man from a boy." - Mike "The Body-Snatcher" McCallum.

    There's just something beautiful about watching a Great, durable pressure-fighter practice his craft by getting the ever-lovin' $#!t kicked out of him for better than half the fight as the other guy holds all the advantages of speed, power, reflexes, skills, footwork, technique, defense, but the pressure fighter is all steely-resolve, toughness, Heart, endurance, and determination that he's gonna get this more-skilled guy late in the fight when The Great Pretender caves in psychologically and physically...



    ...and same-day weigh-ins should be reinstated too.

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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    My boxing utopia would include one title and 15 rounds to decide it. Even today when I hear the phrase championship rounds I shudder a little. Trouble is today with few exceptions even with all these so-called improvements in nutrition, science, technique, training and biochemistry etc most fighters are gassed and breathing through the mouth in round 6.

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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Ask Duk Koo Kim or Benny Paret.
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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    I prefer 15 round fights , bring them back.
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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    Ask Duk Koo Kim or Benny Paret.
    That is urban legend my friend. Not that they died but that 15 round title fights cause more deaths.
    The main reason they moved to 12 from 15 is because the time fit better for 1 hour television slots.
    The change was made over marketing

    Deaths per round



    1-45

    2-62

    3-54

    4-82

    5-49

    6-95

    7-46

    8-71

    9-44

    10-92

    11-13

    12-35

    13-10

    14-10

    15-13

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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    Ask Duk Koo Kim or Benny Paret.
    That is urban legend my friend. Not that they died but that 15 round title fights cause more deaths.
    The main reason they moved to 12 from 15 is because the time fit better for 1 hour television slots.
    The change was made over marketing

    Deaths per round



    1-45

    2-62

    3-54

    4-82

    5-49

    6-95

    7-46

    8-71

    9-44

    10-92

    11-13

    12-35

    13-10

    14-10

    15-13
    Thank you Kevin for the statistical master class as usual.
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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al View Post

    Thank you Kevin for the statistical master class as usual.


    Why thank-you kind sir but I cant take credit for it. Its part of a pretty exhaustive study going back to the early 1700's and originally compiled by Manuel Velazquez and passed on to Joseph R. Svinth. It just so happens that this topic has been a wee thorn in my side for over 30 years lol.

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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    I still think some promoter will decide to spin a fight as a 15 rounder, perhaps as a rematch after a 12 round draw. It could work...

    Long term though, history suggests we will be, bemoaning the loss of the 12 rounder.
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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by IamInuit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    Ask Duk Koo Kim or Benny Paret.
    That is urban legend my friend. Not that they died but that 15 round title fights cause more deaths.
    The main reason they moved to 12 from 15 is because the time fit better for 1 hour television slots.
    The change was made over marketing

    Deaths per round



    1-45

    2-62

    3-54

    4-82

    5-49

    6-95

    7-46

    8-71

    9-44

    10-92

    11-13

    12-35

    13-10

    14-10

    15-13
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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    Ask Duk Koo Kim or Benny Paret.
    "During contests, pro boxers are most likely to die from injuries received during rounds 4, 6, 8, and 10. Amateurs, on the other hand, are most likely to die from injuries received during round 3."- The Manuel Velazquez Fatality Collection.

    Rd 6 particularly has led to the most fatalities.

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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Yep, spot-on about that the real reason for moving to 12 rds over the 1 hr timeslot.
    They gave that bogus reason about fighter-safety and studies about the 15th rd.

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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Yea thats a cool find Inuit! Weird how there are a lot more deaths on even numbered rounds... I'm assuming it means the fights all ended on the rounds listed, instead of trying to determine at what point injuries occurred despite how much longer it went on Pretty shocking there have been 45 deaths caused in the 1st if so, I've certainly never heard of or seen a fight where that's happened. I'd guess the vast majority of those numbers don't come from the west or anywhere with reasonable matchmaking and athletic commissions.

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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Yea thats a cool find Inuit! Weird how there are a lot more deaths on even numbered rounds... I'm assuming it means the fights all ended on the rounds listed, instead of trying to determine at what point injuries occurred despite how much longer it went on Pretty shocking there have been 45 deaths caused in the 1st if so, I've certainly never heard of or seen a fight where that's happened. I'd guess the vast majority of those numbers don't come from the west or anywhere with reasonable matchmaking and athletic commissions.
    Nice analysis and I'd have to agree. There is no definitive answer really. Not trying to say Vendettos was wrong but its kind of a red herring based on the evidence and in fact the later round fights almost seem safer. In addition 15rd title fights have been around longer then 12 so one would think that at least the possibility existed that more deaths would have occurred over the course of history in 13, 14 and 15. The evidence kind of shows that something else might be at play other then distance. The irony here is some ways is that Manuel Velazquez was trying to get the sport abolished and yet w/o checking I'd wager more die a year playing high school football or hockey on this continent.

    Here is another interesting stat from the study.

    Reasons for deaths.

    Falls-101
    Misadventure-81
    Blows-65
    Prior injury-35
    Unfit-23
    Mismatch-18
    Weight reduction-6 (Not sure I buy that low a number)
    Other-6

    The explanation of the above.

    In 1996, some Japanese neurosurgeons reported that serious brain injury (specifically, acute subdural hematoma) was the proximate cause of most Japanese ring fatalities. The Velazquez collection supports their assertion. About 80% of the deaths listed were due to head, brain, or neck injuries, about 12% were due to cardiac conditions, and about 8% were due to other causes, ranging from ruptured spleens to “over-indulgence in ice-water.”

    About 75% of the fatal incidents clearly started in the ring. That is, the boxer was knocked out, and did not get up. However, 25% of the fatal incidents began after the injured boxer left the ring, and about 5% of the deceased did not show visible symptoms until a week or more after their last bout.

    Surprisingly, blows often are not the official cause of ring death. Instead, the usual cause of ring death is either a fall or “nobody knows” (e.g., misadventure). For details, see Table 10. The raw numbers shown below are based on 340 deaths since 1890, about 25% of the total.
    Again on the one hand based on the round tally it seems to suggest that distance has nothing to do with it and yet one cant help but think that the longer the fight goes the better chance the death blow occurs.

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    Default Re: Should unification title bouts be 15 rounds?

    Cool again.. I'm a tad curious how they distinguish between deaths from blows or "misadventure", and especially death via "mismatch" for instance Sounds like something out of mortal combat. "Your winner by DEATH via 1st round mismatch"

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