Thread: London will be overrun by 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians

My God, we should all put in and open a caravan sales and giant trailer park in Britian!

It won't be. Stop believing Nigel Farage Brock!

I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.

The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.

Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.

Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.

File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

None of this affects nigel farage or any of the mps.

If it doesnt affect their gated communities and their childrens children private education then there isnt a problem.(not knocking private schools)

Mps will get there rise and in a few months everyone will start to forget again about their sordid history.

Theres nothing wrong with the majority of the romanians who happen to be murderers and drug dealers and criminal records that no one knows about...what im really worried about is mike tyson coming to the uk..thats our main concern.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.

The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.

Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.

Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.

File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That chart towrds the end shows as many jumping ship as there are getting on. Wonder if that trend will keep up? I can imagine who are jumping ship (the ones who are caught in the middle ground and can afford to leave). If you are mega rich you are un effected in your secure set up, if you are poor you can do nothing about sharing your situation with all new comers.

I am right to expect the gap will grow between the extremes by the middle class bailing out on you, or is this gap what they are trying to fill by opening your doors to further immigration from these areas?

Or are we talking straight trade offs in other financial areas here?

Theres a lot to this, I only learnt last night that Australia feeds triple its own population in food exports, you havent that kind of set up, so I wonder what the effects will be on your over all state of affairs in imports feeding a few more million?

I imagine your services will be stretched to their limits and more cuts to funding will arise if the wrong people are let in?
@ryanman , Really what Im asking here; is there a smart reason Im missing as to why they are opening the doors to England? Or is this stuff he is shown saying in front of Parliament just not true?

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by Gandalf

I agree with Farage, though obviously not every person in those countries will go to the UK. What he is saying is that the opportunities for uncontrolled immigration are there and shouldn't be. If you are from a poor country then of course you would take advantage of a country like the UK. Just look at the supposed official figures. Every year you have the number coming in being about 200,000 more than those going out and how many of them are going to go on and become British citizen's, give birth, send children to school not speaking English well enough to handle schoolwork, using the welfare state etc? In reality the numbers are probably much higher.

The numbers are outrageous really, but if you criticise it then you are labelled a zealot, a xenophobe, etc. The people leaving the UK are typically Brits who have given up and of course the numbers are fewer as those English people are not free to ship in entire families as the places they go to such as Australia take these things more seriously and rightly so.

Uncontrolled immigration drives down wages, burdens the welfare state, forces property prices to rise, and those people are more likely to give birth and thus you end up with places like Bradford where there are seemingly no ethnic English people. Go to a hotel in London and you are seldom ever going to meet an English person. It's bizarre.

Immigration should only be for people who can provide a skill that the country cannot provide. Otherwise, if you can find any native person to clean the toilets, then you should think about paying a suitable amount. You don't expect governments to just open up borders and allow markets to 'correct' themselves with an influx of cheap labour.

File:UK net migration.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That chart towrds the end shows as many jumping ship as there are getting on. Wonder if that trend will keep up? I can imagine who are jumping ship (the ones who are caught in the middle ground and can afford to leave). If you are mega rich you are un effected in your secure set up, if you are poor you can do nothing about sharing your situation with all new comers.

I am right to expect the gap will grow between the extremes by the middle class bailing out on you, or is this gap what they are trying to fill by opening your doors to further immigration from these areas?

Or are we talking straight trade offs in other financial areas here?

Theres a lot to this, I only learnt last night that Australia feeds triple its own population in food exports, you havent that kind of set up, so I wonder what the effects will be on your over all state of affairs in imports feeding a few more million?

I imagine your services will be stretched to their limits and more cuts to funding will arise if the wrong people are let in?
@ryanman , Really what Im asking here; is there a smart reason Im missing as to why they are opening the doors to England? Or is this stuff he is shown saying in front of Parliament just not true?

There are a fair few leaving, but year on year the numbers coming in are typically hundreds of thousands more. In reality, the government has no idea how many people have truly come and gone. There are no actual checks done on this, so realistically you would have to assume the numbers are much worse than what the government will ever let on.

You make a valid point in that those native people who leave will include people who can afford to leave permanently. Maybe older people looking for somewhere warmer, maybe some of them are those who are from overseas, but have left again, others will be educated English leaving for work overseas. Year on year though, you see the numbers coming in to be far greater than those going out and of course most countries do not have porous borders like the UK. So on that basis you would have to assume middle class people who have planned for the future and educated English natives are a fair proportion of those who are leaving.

The reasons for the unchecked immigration are not entirely explained by the consecutive governments who simply refuse to deal in frankness. One possible reason is that Labour wanted working class people to flood the electorate in order to guarantee reelection as they will typically lean towards Labour, another obvious reason is the EU free trade of labour, the other possible reason was likely to allow smaller businesses an adundance of cheap labour.

The middle classes have not really been bailing out as they were being sunk before any of this became recognised as a serious societal problem. The 1980's saw unions being dismantled and the country becoming privatised. Then the lie of globalisation became the mantra and factories relocated overseas, to plug the gap at home labour markets were largely opened up.

Personally, I think the entire issue is cynical and was calculated. Britain is a corporatist country and if poor Polish people will do the work for less, then any normal business man will utilise that. After all business is money and little more. The wealth continued to be funneled upwards, and with the global depression, the final excuse to batter ordinary people was in place. 'We are all in it together' was the mantra. Britain literally is a place where they are all in it together and still they are being crammed in. The rich are either barricaded or own several homes to be rented to plebs at extortionate rates and still see the value go up 3 times faster than average wage increases.

Rents are unaffordable in the UK and young people will never own a home. Interestingly enough 75% of all new homes in the UK are bought by foreigners. The country is being eaten alive. If I was a football player earning 150,000 pounds a week, I could buy a house every two weeks, rent them out, and be raking in the money. It doesn't take many rich foreigners to entirely warp a country. From rich to poor, the country has been sold to foreigners.

But hush, one mustn't appear to be criticising the masterplan. Recently the UK media had an 'immigration week' push. Really, a very cynical thing all things considered.

He gets my vote , why let peasants into your country to rape it ?

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

He gets my vote , why let peasants into your country to rape it ?

God help us then. Farage is a joke.

We don't have much net immigration in fact, but hey don't let facts spoil a firmly held opinion.
The Poles for instance are leaving faster than they are coming. Also, surveys have shown that only a small number of Romanians and Bulgarians are planning to migrate, and that of those Britain is only the 4th choice destination after Spain, France and Italy.

Good bye England!!

And all the do gooders who believe everyone is welcome and equal should've dropped into Iraq

This is England and shouldn't be any other way

Originally Posted by ryanman

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

He gets my vote , why let peasants into your country to rape it ?

God help us then. Farage is a joke.

We don't have much net immigration in fact, but hey don't let facts spoil a firmly held opinion.
The Poles for instance are leaving faster than they are coming. Also, surveys have shown that only a small number of Romanians and Bulgarians are planning to migrate, and that of those Britain is only the 4th choice destination after Spain, France and Italy.

Please explain that country with a dole queue , that is in a very bad way , needs uneducated people from large families from Africa and Eastern Europe?

This is seriously laughable nonsense if it was not tinged with such unashamed bile and unpleasantness. Brockton and Miles should both shut up considering neither of them are affected or in the least bit interested in the welfare of the UK, and Nigel Farrage should go back to France with his tweed wearing toffey nose mates. You would have thought that nobody could be as intolerant, disingenuous or inbred and backward as a far right wing Tory in the 1980's and yet UKIP have marched unimpeded into the British conciousness as though the previous century had never happened, and pulled the wool over the eyes of not only the general populace but also those like Brockton and Miles who think they are above being led up the garden path by such Charlatans.

Nigel does not care about you if you are working class. He does not care about your job. He does not give a fig that you are unemployed. He is quite happy to draw his expenses whilst never speaking up for the UK. 29 Million people is the entire population if Romania and Bulgaria combined. They are not all coming, just like not all of Poland came. How inflated an opinion of ourselves do we have to think that people would travel hundreds of miles to come and live here ahead of other more hospitable and temperate European countries ? Immigration does not reduce earnings, by far the majority of Immigrants do not claim benefits. Nigel is lying and people are swallowing his bullshit whole.

Recent immigrants to Britain are better educated, pay more taxes and draw less state benefits than native Britons. They are also generally better educated. The fact that Bulgarians and Romanians will now not be limited to filling the seasonal agricultural roles that most Brits refuse to work in is what really bothers Nigel. No mention of the British property developers over running Bulgaria or their burgeoning tourist trade. Just more empty groundless rhetoric and hate speech from a plummy upper class twit who is lives on expenses for a job he does not do. Technically they (Bulgarians and Romanians) have been able to come since 2004 when UKIP and Nigel suggested a doomsday apocalypse scenario that never happened. A lot of British people are lazy and most immigrants are not. There is the rub and what makes people so uncomfortable.

The Tories have already used divide and conquer and smoke and mirrors to attack and blame the working class,unemployed and disabled and UKIP have now followed suit diverting their attention to immigration and endeavouring to protect their own sense of entitlement whilst being almost as poorly educated as those who can not see the FACT that immigrants actually contribute to our economy and will help us out of recession. Benefit tourism is a nasty anachronism that Cameron has coined to deflect attention away from morally bankrupt MPs, soulless Corporations, dodgy Bankers and non-tax paying individuals who continue to bleed the country dry.

Originally Posted by Dropanuke

This is England and shouldn't be any other way

Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by Dropanuke

This is England and shouldn't be any other way

Says the man who thought Hitler had a point and so did the IRA. This country was built by immigrants and populated by immigrants from time immemorial. To deny this is not to love England but to deny it's very lifeblood and I love England.

Our schools a full,the jails are full, the Heath service is at breaking point , and we are bust as a country , so we need more migrants why ?
And for the record I'd string the bankers and any dodgy official by the balls. I would also like to ask why are the people who a coming here all from poor countries ?
Well in most cases they are on the make.
Close borders and sort out this mess, including making the people on benefits work for the handouts, how can you need foreign workers when we have a dole queue? Make these cunts work.