Thread: Groves refuses to "sell soul" to fight Froch

Just read this and my gut feeling is that Groves is telling the truth here

You gotta admire the man for not being walked over and sticking to his guns.

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/sport/story/277585.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

Groves turned down a 25% cut knowing that he's entitled to only 15% if the IBF ruled in his favour. There's no way Matchroom/Froch will risk losing the fight to another promoter through purse bids.

If Froch dumps the belt Groves fights for it and gets to sign with any promoter he likes. With the fame he's got from this fight and with a "world" title he will be big business. And he gets to claim Froch ducked him.

You could argue that it's Groves that doesn't want the rematch.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Groves turned down a 25% cut knowing that he's entitled to only 15% if the IBF ruled in his favour. There's no way Matchroom/Froch will risk losing the fight to another promoter through purse bids.

If Froch dumps the belt Groves fights for it and gets to sign with any promoter he likes. With the fame he's got from this fight and with a "world" title he will be big business. And he gets to claim Froch ducked him.

You could argue that it's Groves that doesn't want the rematch.

Told you so, Groves holds aces at the moment, Froch continues to make a cnut of himself.

A rematch would be great as the first fight was excellent. It was a rubbish ending though. This time out I think Groves sends Froch into retirement. He is just too fast, slick, clever, smart. Froch was lucky, lucky, lucky. Lightning won't strike twice (not that there was any lightning first time out).

Not sure why Froch is a cunt, he's obviously agreed to the fight if they're in negotiations, it's just about getting the money right.

Groves is now contesting the IBF over the 15% ruling.

Groves doesn't want to commit his future to Matchroom. I think that's the issue. He wants to be #1 Super-Middle for his promoter and Hearn favours Froch. I think he's worried about getting mugged again.

Groves does seem reluctant to re-sign with Matchroom. Funny really, considering they're the pathway to Sky Sports, gave him the shot at Froch first time, and now are offering him the rematch he so greatly "desires."

But obviously he could have better deals from overseas promoters.

If you had to choose between fighting Froch for a "world" title or Brandon Gonzales/Maksim Vlasov who would you pick? Even though you'll get a fraction of the money against the no-names, you will be the favourite, and will benefit financially in the long run with the help of the shitty alphabet title. As long as you keep winning of course....

Groves is the one being a diva for this and I think he is deliberately pushing it so that Froch is forced to go elsewhere and relinquish the titles making it seem that he is avoiding Groves. Clever git.

Froch should throw the belt away and secure a fight with Chavez.

I don't like how he's acting like he has the aces here. He needs to vindicate himself and win a rematch, because history is written by the winners. Like it or not, bad stoppage or not, Carl has a TKO win over him. Bad stoppages happen in boxing. It was a tough break, but I think he really needs that vindication, or else no matter how far he goes it will always hang over his head.

Groves needs to get a little perspective....he is the challenger who was offered 7 figures, but along with that there will be concessions he has to make, he should remember he has achieved fuck all of note in his career and brings nothing to the table that Froch can get elsewhere!!

I like what Groves is doing here
He's got Froch right where he wants him is is playing on it , its a win win.

If Froch doesn't give him what he wants he'll be remembered as the man who ducked George Groves not the man who got a tko over him thats joe public for you.

Groves still gets a title shot that he'll win then has way more bargaining power to taunt Froch some more.

Master is bang on.... Groves is being very clever here

After what happened in the first fight and the general shit he's taken throughout his career, it's good to see him holding the cards and in a way calling the shots.

Originally Posted by smashup

I like what Groves is doing here
He's got Froch right where he wants him is is playing on it , its a win win.

If Froch doesn't give him what he wants he'll be remembered as the man who ducked George Groves not the man who got a tko over him thats joe public for you.

Groves still gets a title shot that he'll win then has way more bargaining power to taunt Froch some more.

Master is bang on.... Groves is being very clever here

Groves is being a dumbass here not clever-he wants a rematch and has been offered one along with the biggest payday he will have ever had or is ever likely to get at this stage in a career. The hype surrounding Groves is embarrassing and he is being judged by one good performance-personally I dont see what is clever about pursuing the mandatory route when he will be entitled to considerably less of a purse for a fight he has already been offered!

Originally Posted by Vendettos

After what happened in the first fight and the general shit he's taken throughout his career, it's good to see him holding the cards and in a way calling the shots.

Groves calling the shots

Originally Posted by mofo2

Originally Posted by smashup

I like what Groves is doing here
He's got Froch right where he wants him is is playing on it , its a win win.

If Froch doesn't give him what he wants he'll be remembered as the man who ducked George Groves not the man who got a tko over him thats joe public for you.

Groves still gets a title shot that he'll win then has way more bargaining power to taunt Froch some more.

Master is bang on.... Groves is being very clever here

Groves is being a dumbass here not clever-he wants a rematch and has been offered one along with the biggest payday he will have ever had or is ever likely to get at this stage in a career. The hype surrounding Groves is embarrassing and he is being judged by one good performance-personally I dont see what is clever about pursuing the mandatory route when he will be entitled to considerably less of a purse for a fight he has already been offered!

Your totally missing the point fella ;-)

Groves will easily beat Brandon whatever his name is and take the belt.

He also knows he's got Frochs number second time round, Froch can only fight one way

Are you saying that when Groves is a World Champion and he fights Froch he wont have more to bring to the table when it comes to negotiating a deal?

To be honest I think maybe he is getting some "off the record" advice because the way he's trying to hustle is exactly the way Adam Booth does.

And the one good performance you mention just happened to be his first real test against one of the toughest fighters in years and look what he did... floored him in the first then owned him round after round.

Trust me if that KO in round 1 was 20-30 seconds earlier we wouldn't be having this conversation