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    Default HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson

    I guess we will never see Kovalev-stevenson now...

    Stevenson will go to Showtime and face bernard hopkins.. so obvious.

    HBO Passes on Stevenson-Fonfara; Open to Kovalev Bout - Boxing News

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    Default Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson

    hbo has way too much to say on what fights are made.... its ruining the match making!
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    Default Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson

    That's weird, when was it supposed to happen? Lots of Haymon guys have faced each other on HBO, why blow the whistle for this kind of fight. Does Haymon have Kovalev as well, would that fight be affected

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    Default Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson

    I don't think Stevenson had any intention of facing Kovalev and its obvious with the shat he spouted off after signed by Showtime friendly Haymon. Like some mouthy kid who runs home and locks the door to start taunting from the safty of some upstairs window. I've got lots of problems with hbo but they we're persuing a lost cause once Stevenson made his mind up.

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    Default Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson

    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    I don't think Stevenson had any intention of facing Kovalev and its obvious with the shat he spouted off after signed by Showtime friendly Haymon. Like some mouthy kid who runs home and locks the door to start taunting from the safty of some upstairs window. I've got lots of problems with hbo but they we're persuing a lost cause once Stevenson made his mind up.
    I agree. After he fought Bellew he was pretty much Shakin' Stevenson when he was asked about Kovalev in the interview. In the last month he started to be more vocal about how easy a fight Kovalev would be, then he signs with Haymon and moves to Showtime killing any chance of the fight being made. Bottom line, he didn't want the fight. The signs were there. Kovalev has few quality options available to him now.

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    People are missing the boat here. Stevenson is the bad guy for making the Fonfara fight, that's absurd since Kovalev was negotiating with Fonfara first. They both wanted him because HBO approved him. Nothing changed about a Stevenson/Kovalev fight happening in the fall until HBO said suddenly they didn't want a fight they already approved because Haymon shopped for fair market value. That's as f'd up as HBO picking fights to begin with. They choose fights and refuse to pay market value on those fights?!?! That is not free enterprise. The sport is tyrants dealing with tyrants. HBO uses their platform to dictate. That's smart business for them, not for fighters. But their competition gets closer every day. It's not about ratings, it's not about PPVs, it's about subscriptions with HBO/Showtime. And Showtime has been gaining ground for a long time. Let HBO keep trying to strong arm, Showtime will keep gaining ground. When they are near equal a more competitive market will bring out the best. Suddenly HBO won't be able to bold faced lie and still dictate. How is HBO supposed to choose your opponents and your management and your promoter and your pay and whether or not you can seek out a better deal. That's BS, don't turn it on the fighter. If you want to blame the fighter for things that's fine but not for what is wrong with this scenario.

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    Default Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson

    Duva: Stevenson Obviously 'Scared To Death' Of Kovalev - Boxing News

    Here's a few excerpts

    We had a deal,” said Ray Stallone, HBO Sports’ spokesman. “It changed. It is not the way we do it.”
    HBO Sports passed on Stevenson-Fonfara after Stevenson’s representatives asked for more money to face Fonfara and refused to commit to facing Kovalev in his following fight if Stevenson won.
    “He’s running away,” Klimas said. “But again, it’s their plan. Is he running away because he’s afraid? Or is he running to get more money? Or maybe it’s both – fear and the money. You probably you can’t blame a man. He wants to get more money and he’s afraid. So it kind of makes sense.”
    “Back in January, the end of January, I made a deal with Yvon Michel,” Duva said, referencing Stevenson’s Quebec-based promoter. “The next day, Yvon and I made a deal with HBO, with [HBO Sports executive] Peter Nelson. We exchanged emails. The deal was done. And yet, Adonis, we’ve seen the way he has reacted every time he has had Sergey’s name mentioned to him – stuttering, acting like he doesn’t want to talk about it. It was kind of obvious Adonis went and did the one thing that was left for him to do to get out of this fight. And that was to sign with a guy [powerful adviser Al Haymon] who we all know makes sure the public doesn’t get to see the fights they want to see. So no one was surprised when the news came out that [after] he had found new management, after a multi-million-dollar deal had been negotiated on his behalf, that he didn’t want the fight with Sergey. He’s running.”

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    I guess thisll be another fight in the list of many awesome fights we dont get to see due to bureaucratic/political bs. Perhaps now stevenson can complete his trilogy with darnel boone or whatever, they are still 1--1

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    Default Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson

    HBO had a deal with Stevenson's promoter since January for the Fonfara fight then Kovalev in September. But they didn't get a contract drawn up and signed.

    Haymon steps in and asks HBO for more money for the Fonfara fight. HBO says no. Showtime agrees to pay the money. Stevenson goes after the money.

    HBO still have first refusal on two or three of Stevenson's future fights. They can outbid Showtime for Stevenson Hopkins or blow Showtime out of the water with a huge bid to put Stevenson in the ring with Kovalev. I think Stevenson will fight anybody as long as the money is right.

    I'm amazed HBO are fucking around like this. Why didn't they get that contract signed and sealed months ago? Showtime are eating their lunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerFan View Post
    Duva: Stevenson Obviously 'Scared To Death' Of Kovalev - Boxing News

    Here's a few excerpts

    We had a deal,” said Ray Stallone, HBO Sports’ spokesman. “It changed. It is not the way we do it.”
    HBO Sports passed on Stevenson-Fonfara after Stevenson’s representatives asked for more money to face Fonfara and refused to commit to facing Kovalev in his following fight if Stevenson won.
    “He’s running away,” Klimas said. “But again, it’s their plan. Is he running away because he’s afraid? Or is he running to get more money? Or maybe it’s both – fear and the money. You probably you can’t blame a man. He wants to get more money and he’s afraid. So it kind of makes sense.”
    “Back in January, the end of January, I made a deal with Yvon Michel,” Duva said, referencing Stevenson’s Quebec-based promoter. “The next day, Yvon and I made a deal with HBO, with [HBO Sports executive] Peter Nelson. We exchanged emails. The deal was done. And yet, Adonis, we’ve seen the way he has reacted every time he has had Sergey’s name mentioned to him – stuttering, acting like he doesn’t want to talk about it. It was kind of obvious Adonis went and did the one thing that was left for him to do to get out of this fight. And that was to sign with a guy [powerful adviser Al Haymon] who we all know makes sure the public doesn’t get to see the fights they want to see. So no one was surprised when the news came out that [after] he had found new management, after a multi-million-dollar deal had been negotiated on his behalf, that he didn’t want the fight with Sergey. He’s running.”

    Just look at these quotes and how they try to shift blame

    Quote 1-they had a deal and it changed, Adonis was offered more money. That's not how we do business, that is however how a free market does business.

    Quote 2-they say they don't know if he's running away out of fear or if it's for more money. Then they say it's both. They contradict themselves dismissing the fact it's prize fighting. We know he wants more money. Then they add the cliche boxing fans eat up of fear. Now that feaar is paired with the truth it's lended credibility even though there is no supportive evidence. The next cliche move would be to jump to conclusions the fans will believe, that's coming

    Quote 3-the fight was done, the only thing that's changed is new management that wanted fair market value. We have unquestionable evidence HBO was unwilling to pay fair market value(Adoonis/Fonfara) and they blame Haymon even though Haymon was still willing to deal and it was in fact HBO that refuses to make it all happen. So what excuse do they use? The cliche afraid. How does this have any substance? It doesn't but they use a cliche fans eat up, he stuttered and didn't want to talk about something. Let's apply some logic here. HBO could tell me they're working out a deal for me to be locked in a cell unsupervised with Ike Ibeabuchi and I'm not going to stutter because it's not done and even if it was done it's months away. People don't cower in fear of things months away. But if HBO if my management was working out a deal with two companies at once to see which deal is better and I'm discussing one deal I'm going to struggle talking about it because I don't want to say the wrong thing and there's lots of unknown information in my head I don't want to give away =stuttering. This second option has solid supportive evidence because it was in fact happening. Butt they play the "he's afraid" even though as we discussed people aren't afraid of things far off because fans eat it up. They ignore the more logical reason because it doesn't suit their needs. They blame Haymon even though they admit they were the ones unwilling to deal with him. Fans will ignore the logic though because they love "he's scared"

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    Cant hate on that.. stevenson is getting old and dude is trying to maximize his earning..

    I put myself in his shoes and its like, why wouldnt u go to showtime if their offer is better? Shit, I would rather face an old legend ( well so they say ) in hopkins on showtime for millions of dollars rather than fighting a killer like kovalev for less money.. business wise, it doesnt make sense to fight kovalev right now.

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    Default Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson

    There was a deal in place for Kovalev to face Agnew, which is a stay-busy BS fight, and Stevenson to face Fonfara, which is a stay busy BS fight, and then for Kovalev and Stevenson to face each other. No one really cared about Agnew or Fonfara. Fans just wanted Kovalev against Stevenson. It looks like to me that Stevenson never really wanted to face Kovalev. Watch his post-fight interview after knocking out Bellew, he was already talking about Hopkins and Pascal and avoiding Kovalev. Now he gets an opportunity to go in another direction, and he jumps at it. Is anyone surprised? Basically, Stevenson would take HBO's money to face Fonfara, but didn't want to take their money to face Kovalev because he'd prefer to face Hopkins or Shumenov. This is a situation where "Blame Bob" and "Blame Al" aren't as applicable as "Blame Adonis."

    The bottom line is we don't get Kovalev-Stevenson.
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    Default Re: HBO rejects Stevenson-Fonfara due to Haymon's involvement with Stevenson

    What I find annoying is that some fighters think it's ok for Stevenson to chase the Hopkins fight yet will criticize Calzaghe's career by saying he beat an 'old' version of Hopkins. Either Hopkins is old and past it or his is a viable fight.

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