Thread: 9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - Molten Steel


Read anything you like on this site, I find it's pretty good information. 9/11 truthers act like they know things other people don't because they are more informed, when it's anything but the truth. You/they are reading and watching complete fiction, created by people who don't have a clue. There might be the odd "physicist" or whoever who agrees with your thinking, but there are doctors and professors of medicine who don't believe HIV causes AIDS, you can always find quacks who have the credentials to be taken seriously by some. Care to use your boundless knowledge of thermodynamics, and tell me why this doesn't completely refute what you posted, Brock?

I was talking to my step son about this the other day. People are drawn to extremes but the truth often lies in the middle. So don't take everything the Government and the media tell you at face value but also don't rush headlong into falling head,line and sinker for what conspiracy theorists want to sell you. I don't really need to worry about him because being on the autistic spectrum he actually is very good at picking the truth out of the rubbish. His capacity for logic and factual recall blows me away every day.

The site you pointed to is great at pointing out this fact in pointing out how the real conspiracy happened after 9/11 in the way the west used the attack to pursue their own interests, with the invasion of Iraq and the war on terror.

Conspiracy theorists and very straight conventional people both seem to have the same cognitive dissonance in which they refuse to accept you are not a disciple of one extreme or the other. If you disagree with one opinion, or point of view which they posit as fact, they assume you must be from the other camp. This is actually the root of virtually every single argument I have had with Brockton and Miles on the forum. It even happens on a smaller and less virulent scale on the boxing boards between other posters where it is assumed you are either an ignorant noobie fan who only knows and credits boxers of the last 5,10,15 years (Floyd etc) or an old Dinosaur only rating Louis, Armstrong, Robinson etc. The same happens with Ali- Blameless hero or complete Charlatan Coward.

I think the forum format exaggerates it because debate is wrongly mistaken as war with no common ground. In real life common ground is often the starting point of a conversation. My step son summed it up for me when he said "When is the last time you heard somebody admit they were wrong in an Internet argument?"

My father was a top metallurgist in the country. He was called to consult on the metal of the buildings in the post attack investigations. He was one of many but he found nothing fishy in his investigation. All the buildings went down as would be expected from such an event. I didn't watch all these vids Brock posted yet but do they address the people and the phone calls from the plane. I truly believe it was a massive terror attack and it fit Bin Ladins mo of several attacks at once. There is a lot of evidence the attack was just what it was.

Rosie O'Donnell

The United States Government planted 'Beacons' in the top of the Twin Towers. I have
undeniable evidence that this happened.

They were planted on the roof of the two Towers very early in the Morning of September 11th.

A got this information from 'Deep Throat', my secret contact within the FBI.

It's all here in black-and-white. Who would believe that some middle-Eastern crazies could fly
a Jet into a building.

These guys are Taxi Drivers, not Pilots.

Eyewitness testimony proves that it wasn't a commercial airliner. Then shows a bunch of clips of people that disagree about the colour of the plane - It was black, it was grey, it was sliver. Brilliant.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Eyewitness testimony proves that it wasn't a commercial airliner. Then shows a bunch of clips of people that disagree about the colour of the plane - It was black, it was grey, it was sliver. Brilliant.

When it is going that fast who can tell what colour it is.

If you gather footage of half-a-dozen witnesses, that all contradict each other, it proves the plane we see hitting the building was in fact not the plane we see hitting the building. Brilliant.

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

People are drawn to extremes but the truth often lies in the middle.

And to think you used to give me shit about this very thing when you first came on board.
Good to see you've matured.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

People are drawn to extremes but the truth often lies in the middle.

And to think you used to give me shit about this very thing when you first came on board.
Good to see you've matured.

I think it is a bit simplistic to take the view that truth often lies in the middle. For instance, Iranian nukes, Iraq WMD, Assad using chemical weapons etc. If you were to say truth is in the middle then you would be allowing lies and propaganda to colour half the debate.That would be a bit naive considering they were all lies.

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

People are drawn to extremes but the truth often lies in the middle.

And to think you used to give me shit about this very thing when you first came on board.
Good to see you've matured.

I think it is a bit simplistic to take the view that truth often lies in the middle. For instance, Iranian nukes, Iraq WMD, Assad using chemical weapons etc. If you were to say truth is in the middle then you would be allowing lies and propaganda to colour half the debate.That would be a bit naive considering they were all lies.

Extremes are simplistic, Miles. "Somewhere in between" is complex and takes analysis.

Extremes are easy to get to.

"All Arabs are bad and must die."
"All of American government is bad and must be mistrusted."
"Israel is a criminal state and nothing it ever does or claims has any merit."
"No one should have kids."






The world is grey, Miles.

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Originally Posted by TitoFan

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

People are drawn to extremes but the truth often lies in the middle.

And to think you used to give me shit about this very thing when you first came on board.
Good to see you've matured.

I think it is a bit simplistic to take the view that truth often lies in the middle. For instance, Iranian nukes, Iraq WMD, Assad using chemical weapons etc. If you were to say truth is in the middle then you would be allowing lies and propaganda to colour half the debate.That would be a bit naive considering they were all lies.

Extremes are simplistic, Miles. "Somewhere in between" is complex and takes analysis.

Extremes are easy to get to.

"All Arabs are bad and must die."
"All of American government is bad and must be mistrusted."
"Israel is a criminal state and nothing it ever does or claims has any merit."
"No one should have kids."






The world is grey, Miles.

I don't dispute that there are a lot of gray areas, but on things such as those listed above and also many 'conspiracies', they have turned out to be completely factual. There literally is no gray on the Gulf of Tonkin false flag, on government paedo cover ups, on NHS privatisation, on many of the things I find myself mentioning.

I think people think I have an extreme view simply because it doesn't correlate with what their media is telling them, but I tend to be pretty on the ball by pointing out that 'This is the fact'. I remember being told I was wrong on Assad and chemical weapons. Was I? I was wrong on the Ukraine coup being a CIA set up. Was I? I took a stance, otherwise seen as irrational in a truly insane mainstream media, and mainly because I trusted my sources. Generally that rule of thumb holds me in good stead. Not once did it cross my mind that the narrative of Assad and chemical weapons was a genuine one.

Anyone can make an extreme statement, but it's all about if you can back it up. Your example statements might make some sense if watered down, but I don't see them as factual statements and thus quite a different thing. I don't think anyone could argue that all Arabs are bad.

Technically I'm down with Brock, but theoretically Greenz dropped some heavy shit.

What I find disheartening about videos that claim 9-11 was a conspiracy vs video that claim it couldn't have been--
usually have partisan views as well.

So I will engage with those who may have answers to my questions. These aren't questions that make me say-without a doubt our Government was complicit, rather questions that seem too fucking easy to answer, yet have been ignored or answered with another question. Unfortunately most minds are made up on how they will deal with such questions. To you- I say, stay the fuck away...I'm not talking to U.

WHy I question the possibility of 9-11 being apart of a plan:

1. How does the Pentagon (I argue) which is the most well guarded building on the planet- not have a single video of the actual 757 crashing into the side- yet we have so many videos, phone(s) of the twin towers. A plane at that descent HAS to be seen hitting the pentagon. What I've learned is that Liberals holler: government staged. Conservatives don't even engage in such a question- it's unpatriotic
Is it true that:
The only camera footage- was taken by a security camera from a hotel--it was confiscated. If, so, why?

2. How is that Larry Silverstein purchases the twin towers weeks before 9-11 with a clause or insurance claims if hit by planes. WTF? Not if they are victimized by natural disaster.

3. If it is true that an estimated 50 thousand people worked in the Trade towers, how lucky were we that 3,000 lost their lives. What I was questioned and have yet to confirm or deny- is that normally by that time there are at least 30k at work, so 27 -47 thousand plus escaped? I don't know. I don't live in NY.

4. Is it true that Vigilant Guardian -which an exercise designed to prevent airplane attacks- were in the area? And that the FAA had word from our military that planes were seen- in sensitive areas? As a result, how did we not have fighter jets on a mission? Remember we were told this was a terrorist attack. If, so, how the fuck did our government feel no need to have jets out on the look for more possible high jacked planes? Or possible subways? In states across the nation? So I ask- those of U who lived outside N.Y. did your National guard or air force come out to protect you from more possible attacks? Nobody in Wisconsin said shit about protecting ourselves. So we did like every other American- we watched the towers on t.v. fall over and over and cried and got angry as a muthafucka when we heard it might have been an (Islamic) attack. So we cried in between cursing muslims.

5. When we watch television in America- during our favorite show(s) we hear: We interupt the program. This is a test of the emergency blah-blah...in the event of an emergency you will be instructed what to do. Well...where the fuck was this broadcast on 9-11? I ask: if that day didn't warrant the real-deal, wtf would have?


Those who argue my points have been bullying, insulting and answer questions with more questions.
The only logical response I got- was someone who gave me links to Larry Silversteins deeds- which shows (conclusively) that the insurance claims were not yet drawn in- as if he put the planes clause in at the last minute.
The counter for that is: why? WTF was he waiting for-when it comes to insuring the WTC that U just bought.

@ Greenz- that - autistic spectrum comment- Tells me I need to grow a thicker skin. Suck it up when I'm being questioned.

Another Counter I got: We immediately grounded flights nationwide.
I concede; this is true.
3 days- it impacted our air line industry until we had to bail them the fuck out. They thanked us by charging for extra bags, bags of peanuts and xrays to look through our anal cavity.


And we were given means to protect ourselves- through a color coded chart ending with Code red. Any of you memorized it?

And as Comedian Lewis Black exclaimed :we were told to go by plastic and duct tape For what? to wrap ourselves until we suffocate and die other than means of a terrorists attack?