Thread: Floyd/Wlad fail to break Marciano/Louis' records: MAKES SENSE!

Those 2 charlatains could NEVER break The Brockton Blockbuster's or The Brown Bomber's records.

IT WAS DESTINY.

I don't think these records really mean anything to begin with, the fighters have their own legacies. Marciano is remembered because he retired as the undefeated HW champion of the world, it's not about his 49 fights, he only had a few good opponents and title defenses! Wlad has to be given some credit for reigning as HW champion for a long period of time, as only a handful of others guys, Louis being one of, have done. Floyd has done something massive in his own right going undefeated(or at least never being badly beaten) over so long in multiple weights. He probably has almost as many truly good fighters on his resume as the other 3 guys in this thread combined imo.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Those 2 charlatains could NEVER break The Brockton Blockbuster's or The Brown Bomber's records.

IT WAS DESTINY.

Of course not; Marciano officially lost three times after turning pro; and Wlad made at most three successful defences of THE World Championship, some would argue it was just one...

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Those 2 charlatains could NEVER break The Brockton Blockbuster's or The Brown Bomber's records.

IT WAS DESTINY.

Marciano officially lost three times after turning pro.

Marciano officially lost three times after turning pro.

Uhhhh........mmmmmm...........wtf??

Chocolatito will, I think he is actually the definition of perfect. I watch him owe, the fight with Estrada was outsanding and how he beat Viloria was world class. Just everything he does is so on point, he's just the man, don't even care about his weight.. If you are s genuine boxing man, he is the extreme outstander. Can't wait to see
Him in 2016, the rematch with Estrada with be special.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Those 2 charlatains could NEVER break The Brockton Blockbuster's or The Brown Bomber's records.

IT WAS DESTINY.

Floyd won his first title in Oct. 1998 and owned at least one title until he retired in Sept 2015.

That is 17 years as champion and undefeated in 49 fights.

Lets wait and see who can touch that. Sure he never stayed in a division to accomplishment that but he cant be blamed for outgrowing divisions. In many ways its much more impressive what he did. Much more akin to that p4p thing people like to throw around.

Hopkins could beat Azteca and Moore for the longevity title if he hangs around.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Those 2 charlatains could NEVER break The Brockton Blockbuster's or The Brown Bomber's records.

IT WAS DESTINY.

Marciano officially lost three times after turning pro.

Marciano officially lost three times after turning pro.

Uhhhh........mmmmmm...........wtf??

I stand corrected, he lost twice. After turning pro in March 1947, beating Lee Epperson in three; he dropped a decision to Joe DeAngelis on August 23rd 1947 and then lost to Coley Wallace, again by decision, on March 1st 1948...

Originally Posted by IamInuit

That is 17 years as champion and undefeated in 49 fights.

Lets wait and see who can touch that. .

Armstrong going 46-0 in a two and half year period, whilst winning and defending three eighths of all world titles available in boxing at the time...

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Those 2 charlatains could NEVER break The Brockton Blockbuster's or The Brown Bomber's records.

IT WAS DESTINY.

Marciano officially lost three times after turning pro.

Marciano officially lost three times after turning pro.

Uhhhh........mmmmmm...........wtf??

I stand corrected, he lost twice. After turning pro in March 1947, beating Lee Epperson in three; he dropped a decision to Joe DeAngelis on August 23rd 1947 and then lost to Coley Wallace, again by decision, on March 1st 1948...

Yes, like I said before, Rocky was 8-4 as an Amateur, as Coley Wallace Joe DeAngelis Henry Lester & Bob Girard all beat him.

April 15, 1946 Henry Lester L-DQ 3
August 23, 1946 Joe DeAngelis L 3
January 17, 1947 Bob Girard L 3
March 1, 1948 Coley Wallace L 3

here are Rocky's PRO FIGHTS 1947 and 1948 fights. HOWEVER

12 1948-12-14 178 Gilley Ferron 198 3 4 0 Convention Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA W TKO 2/6
time: 2:21
Marciano slashed Ferron's left eyebrow and floored him three times in the second round, to score a technical knockout in 2:21.
11 1948-11-29 185 James Patrick Connolly 213 8 5 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W TKO 1/8
time: 0:57 referee: Ben Maculan
A fast right to the head dropped Connolly for "nine," but he was in such bad shape that the referee then stopped the fight.
10 1948-10-04 178 Bob Jefferson 172 3 2 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W TKO 2/6
time: 2:30 referee: Ben Maculan
The fight was stopped after Jefferson was dropped twice for nine-counts.
9 1948-09-30 179 Gilbert Cardone 189 0 1 0 Uline Arena, Washington, District of Columbia, USA W KO 1/4
time: 0:36
Marciano ended the fight in just 36 seconds.
8 1948-09-20 182 Bill Hardeman 206½ 1 4 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 1/6
7 1948-09-13 183 Humphrey Jackson 254 4 2 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 1/6
time: 1:08
6 1948-08-30 184¼ Jimmy Weeks 190 debut Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W TKO 1/6
time: 2:50 referee: Sharkey Buonanno
5 1948-08-23 184 Eddie Ross 175 15 0 1 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 1/6
time: 1:03
According to B.R. Beardon, this was Marciano's first fight with Charley Goldman in his corner and Al Weill as manager.
4 1948-08-09 183 Bobby Quinn 183 8 0 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 3/4
time: 0:22
3 1948-07-19 186¼ John Edwards 173½ 1 1 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 1/4
time: 1:19
2 1948-07-12 185 Harry Bilazarian 175 3 5 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W TKO 1/4
1 1947-03-17 192 Lee Epperson 185 debut Valley Arena, Holyoke, Massachusetts, USA W KO 3/4

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by IamInuit

That is 17 years as champion and undefeated in 49 fights.

Lets wait and see who can touch that. .

Armstrong going 46-0 in a two and half year period, whilst winning and defending three eighths of all world titles available in boxing at the time...

He went on a 27 and 0 ko streak in 1937-38 and grabbing the 126 title in the process. Its when he lost his 135 title against Ambers that it ended his 46 and 0 run with 39 ko's. He then nested at 147 and made 19 title defenses there which is still a record today.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by IamInuit

That is 17 years as champion and undefeated in 49 fights.

Lets wait and see who can touch that. .

Armstrong going 46-0 in a two and half year period, whilst winning and defending three eighths of all world titles available in boxing at the time...

He went on a 27 and 0 ko streak in 1937-38 and grabbing the 126 title in the process. Its when he lost his 135 title against Ambers that it ended his 46 and 0 run with 39 ko's. He then nested at 147 and made 19 title defenses there which is still a record today.

somebody has manipulated the quotes, that is not my quote there about the 17 years thing

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by IamInuit

That is 17 years as champion and undefeated in 49 fights.

Lets wait and see who can touch that. .

Armstrong going 46-0 in a two and half year period, whilst winning and defending three eighths of all world titles available in boxing at the time...

He went on a 27 and 0 ko streak in 1937-38 and grabbing the 126 title in the process. Its when he lost his 135 title against Ambers that it ended his 46 and 0 run with 39 ko's. He then nested at 147 and made 19 title defenses there which is still a record today.

somebody has manipulated the quotes, that is not my quote there about the 17 years thing

All better now. The kid made an honest mistake. Loosen those straps brock

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by IamInuit

That is 17 years as champion and undefeated in 49 fights.

Lets wait and see who can touch that. .

Armstrong going 46-0 in a two and half year period, whilst winning and defending three eighths of all world titles available in boxing at the time...

He went on a 27 and 0 ko streak in 1937-38 and grabbing the 126 title in the process. Its when he lost his 135 title against Ambers that it ended his 46 and 0 run with 39 ko's. He then nested at 147 and made 19 title defenses there which is still a record today.

somebody has manipulated the quotes, that is not my quote there about the 17 years thing

All better now. The kid made an honest mistake. Loosen those straps brock

No big deal to me I just wanted the record straight that whatever that comment was supposed to mean I did not say it. It may have contradicted something I said earlier in this thread and then it would make my original point a modified in some way. & I actually did not have the time to figure out how that misquote could or could not affect the fluidity of this thread thanks for fixing it. Remember the 71 points now hahaha

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Originally Posted by Britkid

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Those 2 charlatains could NEVER break The Brockton Blockbuster's or The Brown Bomber's records.

IT WAS DESTINY.

Marciano officially lost three times after turning pro.

Marciano officially lost three times after turning pro.

Uhhhh........mmmmmm...........wtf??

I stand corrected, he lost twice. After turning pro in March 1947, beating Lee Epperson in three; he dropped a decision to Joe DeAngelis on August 23rd 1947 and then lost to Coley Wallace, again by decision, on March 1st 1948...

Yes, like I said before, Rocky was 8-4 as an Amateur, as Coley Wallace Joe DeAngelis Henry Lester & Bob Girard all beat him.

April 15, 1946 Henry Lester L-DQ 3
August 23, 1946 Joe DeAngelis L 3
January 17, 1947 Bob Girard L 3
March 1, 1948 Coley Wallace L 3

here are Rocky's PRO FIGHTS 1947 and 1948 fights. HOWEVER

12 1948-12-14 178 Gilley Ferron 198 3 4 0 Convention Hall, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA W TKO 2/6
time: 2:21
Marciano slashed Ferron's left eyebrow and floored him three times in the second round, to score a technical knockout in 2:21.
11 1948-11-29 185 James Patrick Connolly 213 8 5 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W TKO 1/8
time: 0:57 referee: Ben Maculan
A fast right to the head dropped Connolly for "nine," but he was in such bad shape that the referee then stopped the fight.
10 1948-10-04 178 Bob Jefferson 172 3 2 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W TKO 2/6
time: 2:30 referee: Ben Maculan
The fight was stopped after Jefferson was dropped twice for nine-counts.
9 1948-09-30 179 Gilbert Cardone 189 0 1 0 Uline Arena, Washington, District of Columbia, USA W KO 1/4
time: 0:36
Marciano ended the fight in just 36 seconds.
8 1948-09-20 182 Bill Hardeman 206½ 1 4 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 1/6
7 1948-09-13 183 Humphrey Jackson 254 4 2 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 1/6
time: 1:08
6 1948-08-30 184¼ Jimmy Weeks 190 debut Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W TKO 1/6
time: 2:50 referee: Sharkey Buonanno
5 1948-08-23 184 Eddie Ross 175 15 0 1 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 1/6
time: 1:03
According to B.R. Beardon, this was Marciano's first fight with Charley Goldman in his corner and Al Weill as manager.
4 1948-08-09 183 Bobby Quinn 183 8 0 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 3/4
time: 0:22
3 1948-07-19 186¼ John Edwards 173½ 1 1 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W KO 1/4
time: 1:19
2 1948-07-12 185 Harry Bilazarian 175 3 5 0 Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA W TKO 1/4
1 1947-03-17 192 Lee Epperson 185 debut Valley Arena, Holyoke, Massachusetts, USA W KO 3/4

Thus as I wrote, Marciano after turning pro in March 1947, lost two decisions. I am no fan of Lil Floyd but unlike Marciano, the judges did not put a defeat on his record after he turned pro.