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    Default US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    2016 has seen the explosion in success for British boxing as the professional US sweet science calendar struggled to keep up.

    Just to premise this article first off, I’m Irish – so have no bias in this one way or another.
    I, like any other boxing journalist or genuine fight fan out there, just want to see the best fights made.

    After all, that’s the beauty of combat sports isn’t it? Seeing the best take on the best in the prime of their careers for world titles?
    This year has been another big one for the UK boxing circuit which has seen a large number of world champions on their shores.
    Traditionally speaking, there’s always been a big rivalry between these two biggest boxing markets in the world but after speaking to some of my US colleagues recently, even they are now admitting the power shift that is going on at the moment in boxing to Britain.
    But that’s not an indefinite one mind you and like the fight business itself – is one that could turn back and change in the blink of an eye.
    It’s a fickle game is boxing. At the end of the day it’s a talent driven sport where like any sport, it goes through ups and downs and peaks and troughs during phases of new stars breaking through.
    American boxing is certainly in that phase at the moment as is all of boxing really, as we continue to come out of the post Mayweather-Pacquiao era properly.
    Things are changing in how audiences are consuming boxing and the likes of Eddie Hearn and Sky Sports in the UK have been at the forefront from a promotional sense in this regards (in recent times).
    But don’t write off the Americans just yet.

    On a slightly more boring but still relevant note to this argument, the US dollar continues to trade well against the British pound that took a hit this year from the whole ‘Brexit’ fallout.

    This has had direct implications in boxing already, as UK promoter Eddie Hearn was unable to secure a fight for his charge Kell Brook with Top Rank’s Jessie Vargas earlier this year after the exchange rates made it unaffordable compared to the previous deal that was on the table prior to ‘Brexit’.
    Economists predict that the British pound could fall as low as the equal worth of the US dollar in the next three years too, which would certainly put a minor hit at least to those in the UK trying to bring over international boxing talent for big fights.
    To get around this however, you could see more international shows off the coast of Britain put on by UK promoters.

    Matchroom’s Eddie Hearn for example is doing this soon in Monte Carlo with his first international signing in Luis Ortiz.
    But the bottom line is outside of economics, politics and promotional ability, is that the best boxers in the world need to fight each other on a more regular basis in my opinion.
    Looking at November in US boxing and you have the likes of Kovalev vs Ward and Lomachenko vs Walters to look forward to.
    This shows US boxing still has the ability to put on these type of compelling matchups, but it (as an industry) will have to pull it’s socks up as it were in 2017 to compete with the booming UK boxing industry.
    With the return of top promoter Richard Schaefer to the sport expected to come properly next year in the States, a man in my opinion who was the brains behind the promotion of some of the biggest fights over the last fifteen years or so in the US – expect to see some more lifeblood back in the promotional realm too.

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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    It is what it is. Boxing is just a niche sport in the US now. When it comes to combat sports the US millennials just prefer MMA.

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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    They need to actually have some fights going on to compete. Haymon isn't making fights for half the top boxers in the States either because he's on his last legs or just about to announce some deal with a TV network so everything is on hold till then. In the meantime we've got Lomachenko (Ukraine) versus Walters (Jamaica) and Kovalev (Russia) versus Ward (America) coming from America.

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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    It is what it is. Boxing is just a niche sport in the US now. When it comes to combat sports the US millennials just prefer MMA.
    The big matches get made there
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    It is what it is. Boxing is just a niche sport in the US now. When it comes to combat sports the US millennials just prefer MMA.
    The big matches get made there
    There are no Big matches in MMA. McGregor fought Diaz twice in "Big Matches" Diaz's record is 19-11.
    If Floyd, Kovalev, Ward, or any other champion fought a guy with a 19-11 record they would be strung up alive!
    Back to the "UK are so dominant" argument, the UK has 12 World Champions, the U.S. Have 11. And if all the UK Champions fought the best American , it would read something like:
    AJ - Wilder
    Bellew - Cunningham
    Cleverly -Ward
    DeGale - Anthony Dirrell
    BJS - Jacobs
    Brook - Thurman
    Burns - Crawford
    Flanagan - Easter Jr.
    Frampton - Russell Jr.
    Selby - Russell Jr.
    McDonnell - Warren
    Haskins - Warren
    How many do you think the UK would win?
    Hardly Global domination is it?

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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    The brits may not have the best fighters but we have shown guts in taking on big opponents over the last 12 months

    Fury v Klit
    khan v ginger pubes
    Brook v ggg
    smith v ginger pubes
    Frampton v sant cruz
    Jazza v Rigo
    Crolla v linares
    Haye v ...wait forget that one

    We may not have won them all and some have been big money mismatches but fair play to them for putting their chin (and in some cases their belts) on the line

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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    There's a lull but I wouldn't get carried away Its not like their is exclusive dominance and that's what makes the sport the awesome international clusterfook that it is. Records indicate we've taken turns on either shore being half of the 'show' event wise. The best thing that happened to Brook was the fight with Vargas falling out, come to think of it for Vargas also

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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    well Uk has produced top fighters of the world but they need to keep that shit up

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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    It is what it is. Boxing is just a niche sport in the US now. When it comes to combat sports the US millennials just prefer MMA.
    The big matches get made there
    There are no Big matches in MMA. McGregor fought Diaz twice in "Big Matches" Diaz's record is 19-11.
    If Floyd, Kovalev, Ward, or any other champion fought a guy with a 19-11 record they would be strung up alive!
    Back to the "UK are so dominant" argument, the UK has 12 World Champions, the U.S. Have 11. And if all the UK Champions fought the best American , it would read something like:
    AJ - Wilder
    Bellew - Cunningham
    Cleverly -Ward
    DeGale - Anthony Dirrell
    BJS - Jacobs
    Brook - Thurman
    Burns - Crawford
    Flanagan - Easter Jr.
    Frampton - Russell Jr.
    Selby - Russell Jr.
    McDonnell - Warren
    Haskins - Warren
    How many do you think the UK would win?
    Hardly Global domination is it?
    I like this

    AJ - Wilder -- UK WINS
    Bellew - Cunningham -- UK WINS
    Cleverly -Ward -- US WINS
    DeGale - Anthony Dirrell. -- UK WINS
    BJS - Jacobs -- UK WINS
    Brook - Thurman -- UK WINS
    Burns - Crawford -- US WINS
    Flanagan - Easter Jr. -- UK WINS
    Frampton - Russell Jr. -- UK WINS
    Selby - Russell Jr. -- US WINS
    McDonnell - Warren -- UK WINS
    Haskins - Warren -- US WINS

    8-4, Looks pretty dominant over the US at least

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    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by generalbulldog View Post
    It is what it is. Boxing is just a niche sport in the US now. When it comes to combat sports the US millennials just prefer MMA.
    The big matches get made there
    There are no Big matches in MMA. McGregor fought Diaz twice in "Big Matches" Diaz's record is 19-11.
    If Floyd, Kovalev, Ward, or any other champion fought a guy with a 19-11 record they would be strung up alive!
    Back to the "UK are so dominant" argument, the UK has 12 World Champions, the U.S. Have 11. And if all the UK Champions fought the best American , it would read something like:
    AJ - Wilder
    Bellew - Cunningham
    Cleverly -Ward
    DeGale - Anthony Dirrell
    BJS - Jacobs
    Brook - Thurman
    Burns - Crawford
    Flanagan - Easter Jr.
    Frampton - Russell Jr.
    Selby - Russell Jr.
    McDonnell - Warren
    Haskins - Warren
    How many do you think the UK would win?
    Hardly Global domination is it?
    I like this

    AJ - Wilder -- UK WINS
    Bellew - Cunningham -- UK WINS
    Cleverly -Ward -- US WINS
    DeGale - Anthony Dirrell. -- UK WINS
    BJS - Jacobs -- UK WINS
    Brook - Thurman -- UK WINS
    Burns - Crawford -- US WINS
    Flanagan - Easter Jr. -- UK WINS
    Frampton - Russell Jr. -- UK WINS
    Selby - Russell Jr. -- US WINS
    McDonnell - Warren -- UK WINS
    Haskins - Warren -- US WINS

    8-4, Looks pretty dominant over the US at least
    Funny that, I had it probably 8-4 to the U.S. 😄

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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    the only one that is debateable is BJS Jacobs

    thinking any of the rest would go the other way and youre out of youre fucking mind
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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    Thurman would beat Brook but that fight will not happen as Kell has run off to light middle.
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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Thurman would beat Brook but that fight will not happen as Kell has run off to light middle.
    absolutely no chance

    that a gimme one in the back of the US net
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    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    the only one that is debateable is BJS Jacobs

    thinking any of the rest would go the other way and youre out of youre fucking mind
    Do you think Frampton beats Selby?

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    Default Re: US Boxing needs to up it's game to compete with the UK Boxing Boom

    Quote Originally Posted by Primo Carnera View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    the only one that is debateable is BJS Jacobs

    thinking any of the rest would go the other way and youre out of youre fucking mind
    Do you think Frampton beats Selby?
    Yep, u?
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