Thread: Why are Americans not allowed to own mortars, tanks, grenades or Rockets?

I mean a hand grenade May kill 20 or 30 people but this guy killed 60 plus people and more will most likely die from injuries over the next few days or weeks and he injured / 525 people

This is an interesting question.
I wonder if @El Kabong's god has granted him his god given right to use mortars, tanks, grenades and rockets or if his permission stops at an automatic weapon stockpile.

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

This is an interesting question.
I wonder if @El Kabong's god has granted him his god given right to use mortars, tanks, grenades and rockets or if his permission stops at an automatic weapon stockpile.

Makes you wonder where the alt right ends and Muslim fundamentalism begins. Both have this strange belief that they should be armed and want to force the world to accept their ideology through violence if necessary.

Don't forget Nukes don't kill people "People kill people". So stop bullying Kim Jong Un for using his God given right to protect himself

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Makes you wonder where the alt right ends and Muslim fundamentalism begins. Both have this strange belief that they should be armed and want to force the world to accept their ideology through violence if necessary.

I'm forcing NOTHING on anyone, I merely wish to protect myself and my property which I do quietly and yet here you are screaming like an autistic banshee "TAKE THE GUNS! TAKE THE GUNS! YOU SHOULDN'T OWN THAT!"...you protect YOUR family and I'll look after mine, seems rather simple.


I don't demand a tax on those who don't own guns in the same manner that Militant Islamists demand infidels pay the Jizya

I don't demand anyone dress a certain way the way Militant Islamists do

I don't (regardless of what you might think of me) kill innocent people.....and miles you can take your "B-b-b-but Noam Chomsky said...." rebuttal to this statement of FACT and cram it.

And I'm not Alt-Right....I'm a registered Libertarian and I just would like to be left alone by the government unless there's a foreign force invading or there's a natural disaster and even then I'm 100% responsible for ME and my family and my property. But you go ahead, rely on government, put all of your faith in it for all I care.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by Gandalf

Makes you wonder where the alt right ends and Muslim fundamentalism begins. Both have this strange belief that they should be armed and want to force the world to accept their ideology through violence if necessary.

I'm forcing NOTHING on anyone, I merely wish to protect myself and my property which I do quietly and yet here you are screaming like an autistic banshee "TAKE THE GUNS! TAKE THE GUNS! YOU SHOULDN'T OWN THAT!"...you protect YOUR family and I'll look after mine, seems rather simple.


I don't demand a tax on those who don't own guns in the same manner that Militant Islamists demand infidels pay the Jizya

I don't demand anyone dress a certain way the way Militant Islamists do

I don't (regardless of what you might think of me) kill innocent people.....and miles you can take your "B-b-b-but Noam Chomsky said...." rebuttal to this statement of FACT and cram it.

And I'm not Alt-Right....I'm a registered Libertarian and I just would like to be left alone by the government unless there's a foreign force invading or there's a natural disaster and even then I'm 100% responsible for ME and my family and my property. But you go ahead, rely on government, put all of your faith in it for all I care.

I am actually not against someone owning a gun. It could be useful in the event that someone attacks a disabled or weaker person.

My point was more a general observation that the die hard need for weapons, adherance to a God and the destruction of lives and occupation of lands in regions not their own seems to be a tenet of extreme Islam and extreme Conservatism and especially so over the past 20 years. Both seem to have become more wild and wacky and there is evidence to suggest that the extremists on both sides have assisted one another.

Basically, extremism breeds extremism and that is why Switzerland has lots of guns but a relatively peaceful populace and government while you guys seem to have deep rooted issues.

Just look at the kind of TV shows you chaps are into. It's Hunger Games style violence and madness all the way. Peaceful societies have a much more normal culture and attitude towars life. You feel threatened by anything that squeaks and I guess you would when fear is a cornerstone of societal control. It's relatively free, but highly paranoid. Guess all the drugs both legal and illegal don't help much either. Too many wired people.

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

This is an interesting question.
I wonder if @El Kabong's god has granted him his god given right to use mortars, tanks, grenades and rockets or if his permission stops at an automatic weapon stockpile.

I see you're still "not mocking" me

Let's say you are walking down the street and some random stranger physically attacks you, what would be your immediate response to that? I am looking forward to your response.


Alright as for your questions.

Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act (“NFA”), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess “destructive devices,” which includes grenades.

Cannon shells are classed as destructive devices in the U.S. under the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA). They must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and, though legal under federal law, are prohibited from being owned by civilians in certain states.

And yes, you may buy decommissioned tanks although the guns and firing control systems must be disabled.

I'm not certain as to why somebody would want such things to protect their property as they create a lot of collateral damage....explode a hand grenade in your house and you'll have to remodel the entire room, blast a shotgun off and all you need is spackle and some paint.


You have absolutely 0 idea at what it takes to own an automatic weapon. Now there are some add ons for certain firearms which mimic automatic weapons one of which was made use of by the Las Vegas shooter the "bump stock"...it would not bother me if those were only available for class 3 license holders. By the by, legally obtained automatic weapons have been used in 3....yes 1,2,3 crimes since 1934.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

This is an interesting question.
I wonder if @El Kabong's god has granted him his god given right to use mortars, tanks, grenades and rockets or if his permission stops at an automatic weapon stockpile.

I see you're still "not mocking" me

Let's say you are walking down the street and some random stranger physically attacks you, what would be your immediate response to that? I am looking forward to your response.


Alright as for your questions.

Hand grenades are regulated under the National Firearms Act (“NFA”), a federal law first passed in 1934 and amended by the Crime Control Act of 1968. The 1968 amendments made it illegal to possess “destructive devices,” which includes grenades.

Cannon shells are classed as destructive devices in the U.S. under the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA). They must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and, though legal under federal law, are prohibited from being owned by civilians in certain states.

And yes, you may buy decommissioned tanks although the guns and firing control systems must be disabled.

I'm not certain as to why somebody would want such things to protect their property as they create a lot of collateral damage....explode a hand grenade in your house and you'll have to remodel the entire room, blast a shotgun off and all you need is spackle and some paint.


You have absolutely 0 idea at what it takes to own an automatic weapon. Now there are some add ons for certain firearms which mimic automatic weapons one of which was made use of by the Las Vegas shooter the "bump stock"...it would not bother me if those were only available for class 3 license holders. By the by, legally obtained automatic weapons have been used in 3....yes 1,2,3 crimes since 1934.

I'm not mocking you. You're enough of a joke on your own.

If I'm walking down the street and a stranger attacks me I'd fight him off as best I could. I may have to run away. A good citizen may come to my aid. He may beat me to a pulp. That's what would happen.

Let me ask you a question.
What if you're attacked by a stranger on the street, and you light him up with all your God given weaponry, and you kill that SOB dead because he was trying to take your American flag off your jacked up pickup truck, with your young cousin's panties dangling from the rear view mirror like the prize catch that she was.
When you die years later and get to the pearly gates and they tell you that you aren't welcome into the kingdom because you murdered a man.
What would be your immediate response to that?

Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

I'm not mocking you. You're enough of a joke on your own.

If I'm walking down the street and a stranger attacks me I'd fight him off as best I could. I may have to run away. A good citizen may come to my aid. He may beat me to a pulp. That's what would happen.

Let me ask you a question. What if you're attacked by a stranger on the street, and you light him up with all your God given weaponry, and you kill that SOB dead because he was trying to take your American flag off your jacked up pickup truck with your young cousin's panties dangling from the rear view mirror like the prize catch that she was. When you die years later and get to the pearly gates and they tell you that you aren't welcome into the kingdom because you murdered a man. What would be your immediate response to that?

Yeah OK


"I'd fight him off as best I could".....Why? What gives you the right?

"I may have to run away"....I do not doubt that you would, but let us say that your significant other is right there by your side....will you leave her to be beaten, robbed, possibly raped?

"A good citizen may come to my aid"....What would they do to help? Would they just say "Hey, stop that" and then everything is finished?

"He may beat me to a pulp"....Indeed he may, and you'd just take it? You'd just die right there if he continued to beat you mercilessly?




As for your scenario
1. God did not GIVE me weaponry only the right to defend myself. It is the natural state of things, natural law, you know things explained by John Locke about 350 years ago

2. "they tell you that you aren't welcome into the kingdom because you murdered a man."....Self defense is not murder, but if I'm judged by God to be guilty enough to be denied paradise then I'll enjoy the company in Hell. But in my life from killing a person in self defense until my death I would not lose 1 second of sleep over protecting myself.

3. I do not carry a gun at all times, but it is my right to do so when I choose to do so...in my state I can carry openly. I also know how to fight as that is part of my self defense....do you not? Do you not protect yourself ever? You're certainly free not to, it is a choice you can make, but typically an average human will fight for their life.


You should think a bit harder about your actual questions instead of spending so much time on your insults.

I think what ruthless Rocco was referring to is the phenomenon of "trigger happiness".

Which damn well DOES exist among people. I have seen schizophrenics with a fucking pocketknife gunned down dead by hero/disconnected cops wearing military fucking gear. Like a 50 yr old man babbling about The Sphynx and the Jesus-Grasshopper and pathetically waving a 3 inch pocketknife IS REALLY NEEDING TO BE SHOT THRU THE CHEST AT 15 FUCKING FEET BY RAMBO THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD PATROLMAN MICHAEL M. HIGGINS OF POTTSTOWN, PENNSYLTUCKY