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    Default The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitschko

    Good afternoon fellow Saddo-boxng members!

    I know the Tyson topic has probably been done to death, but I have not seen anyone approach it from the angle I'm about to now.

    First off, my hypothesis is that Tyson was doomed to defeat from the very begining, and now I will explain why that is.

    But first lets get the obvious commonly-cited reasons out of the way: With age Tyson increasingly used less head movement, inreasingly began to rely on single punhes instead of combinations, and he stopped punching his way into range.

    That last point is the most pertinent to what I am about to point out.

    Following Tysons record, it is most interesting to note the fights in which Tyson failed to KO his opponents. These are the key fights to watch. Why was Tyson unable to KO these opponents? Well, some of them were indeed running scared and engaging very little, true. Others were simply very durable. However, there is one thing they all seemed to have in common: they were taller fighters with the ability to effectively tie Tyson up when in close.

    In fact, I would go as far to say that with each additional fight Tyson was engaged in where a KO did not occur, opponents became increasingly skilled at exploiting what for me, was one of Tyson's consistent weakness. It was as if trainers honed in on this weakness, and the blue prints to throw a monkey wrench into Tyson's fighting technique became better and better developed.

    Buster Douglas would be the first to employ the technique combined with enough consistent firepower to hand Tyson his first defeat. Sure, Tyson had not trained as he should, but watch Douglas' effective clinch and just how much Tyson was frustrated by it. Holyfield had the right idea immediately, and also effectively clinched Tyson and frustrated him into total ineffectiveness. Again, I know Tyson's technique was always in decline around this point, but the weakness was a fundemental one which was there to be exploited to some degree even from the beginning! Lennox would eventually also effectively use the technique, basically ending what little of Tyson was even left by that point.

    And this, gentlemen is why Tyson would never have beaten Klitschko... at least not the Manny Stewart-trained version. Klitschko's extra height and amazingly consistent clinching would not leave the much shorter Tyson any chance to score hurtful shots other than the occasional single one that may slip through. Tyson would be thoroughly frustrated and tied up, and when free, would almost never be able to reach the very much taller Klitschko's head. A Jab and grab fest would ultimately end with a tired Tyson, likely TKO's as he was in other fights.

    If you disagree, I invite you to watch Tyson's fights ending in UD, or ending in him being defeated by TKO/KO. Please let me know if you don't see it, this consistent pattern. But I believe you too will see what I have noticed.

    James Tillis UD 10 May 3, 1986
    Mitch Green UD 10 May 20, 1986
    James Smith UD 12 Mar 7, 1987
    Tony Tucker UD 12 Aug 1, 1987
    Buster Douglas KO 10 Feb 11, 1990
    Donovan Ruddock UD 12 Jun 28, 1991
    Evander Holyfield TKO 11 Nov 9, 1996
    Lennox Lewis KO 8 Jun 8, 2002
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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    Every fighter is taller than Tyson but if you mean 6ft 4inches minimum then Holfield, was smaller. Tyson brutalised Tyrell Biggs who was tall and many lower ranking fighters including Saverise, and Golota.

    Peak Tyson was early on and he faded after leaving Rooney, Jacobs and Cus dying with King taking over.

    Peak Tyson would destroy a fragile and frightened Wlad.
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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    Tyson was too old to fight the Klits.

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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    Vitali perhaps. Trying to make a case that a peak Tyson couldnt have beaten Wlad is basically laughable.

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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    Basically Tyson became more and more one dimensional and couldn't adjust. But even though the majority of those fighters worked to clinch Tyson still won. Save for maybe Holyfield and Douglas who worked to punch into and out off tying up with effective offensive work and mentality. Others just did do so to survive or trying to re establish range and waiting for Mike to whiff. Wlad surely had the size and while he could clinch and be a wet blanket on guys I don't think he had that mental make up to go on the offense inside. And it may get over stated about his beard but was Wlad really going to soak up the damage a Holyfield or Ruddock did in the late rounds? The could clinch but all at one point or another were badly shook.

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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    A peak Tyson would have no problem dispatching of Wlad. He’d have had more problems with Vitaly, but would still have beat him. But we’re talking a Peak Tyson. Less than peak? Well anything could happen.
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    Heyday IronTyson smash young boy Vlad like glass. OctoVlad hold in fear to end

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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    Mike Tyson was only doomed as he doomed himself the dude would have an IV bag full of opiates as he smoked crack cocaine. Literally. He got completely lost and ended up in the hooskow. The dude was one of the best, a marvel at his craft. I’m very glad he has things together now and is enjoying life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baal View Post
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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    There are few things in this world more overrated than Mike Tyson’s infighting. A few explosions in 20+ years and people think he was an inside fighter SMDH

    He had amazing abilities, doesn’t mean he regularly used them. And anything you don’t use in a fight really isn’t worth discussing when discussing a persons fights.

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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    The pre-Stewart Wlad loses to Tyson by KO. The post-Stewart Wlad loses to Tyson by KO.

    You have a "perfect storm scenario". Tyson's underrated chin..... Wlad's glass one. Tyson's fearlessness..... Wlad's timid nature (post-Stewart). Tyson's sweeping hooks..... well..... you get the picture.

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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    If Sam Peter is going to put Wlad down several times, but barely dent James Toney, then prime Tyson likely kills him. Too fast, too clever, too strong, and Wlad would be nervous and hyperventilating. Vitali is the better fighter of the two.
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    Default Re: The Reason Why Mike Tyson was Doomed from the Start - and would never beat Klitsc

    I often make this case for why Mike was overrated. But I think you might be overrating Wlad a bit here, lad.

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