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    Default The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

    This is a last ditch attempt at civil conversation between those in endless wars.

    None of us is beyond some criticism, right? So can we dispense with the boulder-on-shoulder defensiveness and trying to see who can get the best quip in? Are we capable of having an honest-to-goodness conversation, even if we don't agree on many things?

    Honestly... I feel none of this nonsense would last if we were all of a sudden face to face. Not because we'd kill each other, but because when face to face with someone, usually you make an attempt at getting along. I mean, we're all above 15 here, right?

    So this is an open invitation for anyone to come in here and express yourselves, even if it's criticism. It'll be well accepted if it's constructively expressed.

    How about it? Any takers?

    First if I may..... maybe a rule or two. If you feel like you need to offend and/or insult somebody, please take it outside (another thread). We got plenty of those to go around.

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    Default Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

    Hey look.... I'll start.

    One of the hot ticket items I disagree with Lyle on is the shooting spree problem. Lyle feels (if I may, Lyle) that any attempt to resolve the issue should not include limitations on guns. Am I right?

    To me, all aspects should be on the table. But we can certainly agree to disagree, right?

    With Miles I disagree on the race IQ business, as I think it's oversimplifying things to assign IQ's to races. Miles (if I may) does not share that opinion and it's his right to do so. I however, will continue to argue with him about whenever the topic comes up.

    On the LGBTQ issue, I feel my opinions are being misrepresented. This is a topic where I would appreciate a one on one discussion, rather than a shark feeding frenzy. I'll be happy to discuss my opinions with anyone on the subject.

    I have kids, but I certainly respect the opinions of those who do not have them. Having kids is a choice, and should not disqualify you from having an opinion having to do with kids' education or upbringing.


    There's more.... but I'll yield the floor.

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    Default Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

    Sure tits can I still call you tits though

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    Default Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Sure tits can I still call you tits though

    You can still call me tits bro. I've been called much worse.

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    Default Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

    I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.

    I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.

    I will never be Einstein, but I will continue to strive to know and learn more. Someone with a lower IQ should perhaps strive to avoid a life of crime or potentially hurt a child by not choosing a partner well. We can all raise our level in some way. I certainly do not feel inferior or oppressed because the average white has an IQ of 100 compared to an average East Asian IQ of 106. I am competitive and strive and we all should. Marrying East Asians is the solution. Oh, I jest heartily.

    You look around you and see successful and brilliant black, white, hispanic, and Asian people. It is just that a higher proportion of some of those groups have less successful outcomes than others which is best predicted by intelligence. You will never find a surgeon of 90 operating on you, but there are plenty of people with an IQ of 90 out there and they might be jolly nice too.
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    To be honest though, I am not looking to argue or debate that topic as I think it has been done a fair bit already, but I think that was a post where I was reasonable, not abusive, and just argued my point as reasonably as I could showing that it can be done. It only descends when someone marches in with a 100 word scrawl starting with 'You are such a racist, elitist scumbag cunt I do not even know where to begin.......'. I sometimes find it difficult to be reasonable in return.
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    I studied with many types of people. But I'll mention two types and you can make what you will out of that.

    Joe (for the sake of the anecdote) had to study very hard. Learning didn't come easy to him. So basically he worked his butt off. He was never in the top 5 percent as far as GPA, but he did well enough. He graduated purely out of sheer work ethic. He knew he had to study harder than most, and he did. Today he's a successful professional, and does very well in his field.

    Jack (another made up name) was the exact opposite. He could read something once and it stuck to him. But he was a bit lazy. He leaned on his amazing learning activity to get by. Didn't work hard at all... but still did well enough to graduate. Today he's doing ok... but not as well as Joe. As a professional, I'd recommend Joe over Jack any day of the week.

    Now.... if given an IQ test, it's obvious Jack would score higher than Joe. But does that matter?

    This is why I don't put the weight on IQ that you apparently do. Not saying it's not important. But it's not the magic predictor of success that sometimes you seem to say it is.

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    Default Re: The "Can We Keep it Civil?" Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    I think there is a very solid observation if the IQ differences are all occurring in the same nation as in the US. It seems pretty cut and dry in terms of the research into race and IQ. There are of course exceptional people in any group and there are unexceptional people in any group, but it just means that as a whole the intelligence levels are significantly different. Thus it is that the East Asians in America perform the best in terms of family structure, academic performance, and overall economic outcomes. There are the Ashkenazi Jews too of course who fly off the radar when it comes to IQ. In saying that of course you treat everyone as an individual and so one can either perform well on an intelligence test or they can't. The controversy is really about nature versus nurture rather than if there are differences. It is undeniable unless we are going to burn the plethora of research data compiled over decades and delete it from the Internet.

    I get why it is sticky, but I just think people should be treated as individuals thus no affirmative action and reduced welfare incentives and let the genuinely talented rise. By looking at IQ we learn about behavior too thus we can see who is more likely to be a single Mum or a criminal and so on. It is not absolute by any stretch, but by just preaching racism and social injustice is not really the full picture. The left wants to eliminate IQ debate as it means accepting that we simply are not all the same from an intelligence basis. However, we are of course all people and should aspire to better performance.
    Here's a question I've asked many times from you guys who are always running around trying to prove how stupid black people are.

    What do you do with a race of black people who you claim are dumb (ON average) ?

    I don't care what you think of black intelligence because frankly call me intellectually inferor all day

    I don't give a sh*t about that

    You are saying (On average) your smarter than me because your white and I'm black

    YES YOU ARE

    Happy now ?

    Now what ?

    And that's were guys like you wimp out when it's comes to the doing part. And that's thing about white supremacy "Tell black people what they are but never say what we are gonna do"

    And guess what ?

    If whites turned around and said "We are gonna finally stop telling black ppl what they are and we are gonna tell them what we are gonna do. Tune in at 9"

    I'd be like



    And if they turned around and said "We are gonna kill every black person on the planet or die trying"

    Once again I'd be like



    And I'd go down fighting

    Stop talking. Stop trying to prove points. We don't need points. Either do justice or let's just get it on for the last time and for the final time

    Period.
    Last edited by Denilson-The-Comeback; 08-17-2019 at 12:04 PM.

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