This will be easy work for Canelo
This will be easy work for Canelo
- I say the 8th
I'd say it depends.
If he brings him down to 170..... waits 3-4 years..... and fights Kov in Texas (or Vegas) with CJ Ross as a judge..... I wouldn't bet against Canelo.
Kov has that persistent and ram rod jab that can win him the fight. He uses it far more now than his big right hand now and is the bigger man so he may not get knocked out.
Is this fight going to happen now? I thought Kov turned it down.
Kovalev will keep Canelo at bay early on , and probably put rounds in the bank but will tire down the stretch and when Canelo gets his opportunity , he will take it with both hands. Depends how long it takes Kovalev to tire. Could be the 6th if Canelo walks him down, but he might take some heavy artillery, or if Canelo wants to be patient and make sure, it could be the 10th.
if it's the kovalev that showed up against yarde, i'd say between 8 and 10. if he lays off the vodka and isn't weight restricted we could see a whole different fight
Has everyone forgotten Canelo's output and stamina. Sure Kov tires but so does Canelo who is a spurt fighter. Kovalev is much rangier and with the ramrod jab and follow up rights bound to make Canelo think. Kovalev hits harder than anyone Canelo has faced and Canelo has no record at the weight or even SMW if we are being honest.
Kovalev got caught. It happens but he dug down and got the win. People see a few chinks and think he is for the taking but Canelo has a lot to prove and let's not forget he hasn't even been convincing at MW.
In fact I find the Canelo hype odd when everyone knows he has several losses in his record and is now suddenly going to walk through Kovalev.
It’s fascinating to me that Canelo has fought the best 147 guy, the best 154 guy, the best 160 guy twice and is thinking of jumping 2 divisions to fight a reigning major title holder and the mere proposition begins cherry picking talk.
But Lomachenko, supposedly the top guy in the sport and surely one of the top guys, has never fought the best guy in a division and fights consecutively a guy who was DOMINATED by Tank Davis and moved up, Anthony Crolla and Luke Campbell without so much as a peep about him cherry picking.
Why would people have higher expectations of Canelo if everyone thinks Loma is the better fighter? Or is it not higher expectations for Canelo but rather lower expectations for Loma?
Is this thread serious?
Canelo couldn’t even hurt GGG or Danny Williams..and now all of a sudden he inherits 175 stopping power?!
Come on guys?!
Canelo couldn’t even beat the best at 168?!
I rate Canelo but this is crazy talk!
Kovalev doesn't much care for bodyshots....Canelo will be sure to throw those. Bigger question, has Canelo started cycling yet?
It’s a typical Canelo match up. He will fight a guy who used to be a good fighter, but over five years into his decline. Kovalev hasn’t looked good since well before the Ward fight, and by all accounts he abuses his body in between fights.
He has a good jab and is a good ‘backwards and forwards in straight lines’ technician.
But he has shown weakness to the body and an inability to fight at short range. Canelo will beat him up if he walks him down like he showed he could do the second time against GGG. Kovalev is quite easy to hit, and he has shown lots of signs of quitting when he isn’t getting his way. Canelo does have a good chin so I don’t see how Kov can stop him.
Incidentally, I don’t agree that Kovalev will be the biggest puncher that Alvarez has faced - I always thought Golovkin hit harder, and with more accuracy.
I hate Canelo, I don’t even like the idea of him fighting Kovalev. I want him to fight Charlo, fight Andrade, fight BJS FFS. Fight the guys at 160. But my hatred for Canelo isn’t going to make me ignore he has fought really good fighters. That is what we should want from fighters.
So Canelo has had advantages, what about Loma fighting Walters in a desperate situation, fighting Rigo in s desperate situation. That doesn’t get talked about. So the difference between the 2 is a Canelo has fought the better fighters and is currently fighting champions. Not Pedraza’s, not Crolla’s, not Campbell’s. But Canelo gets torn down while Loma is just the best because he looks like it. Nobody cares Berchelt has called him out for years. Nobody cares people at TR were quite open that Bob would never let him fight Mikey. Not a damn peep for one guy. It’d be fine if people would just admit the double standard. The elephant is on its hind legs breaking the chandelier, acknowledge it.
I remember seeing Crawford, Loma and Rigo together. Loma was much closer to Crawford’s size than Rigo was to his. You can find that easy enough, I just can’t post pictures on this site for some reason or I’d post it for ya
Do me a favor. Forget it's me asking the questions, because that will immediately draw your "you just hate Canelo" spiel.
Canelo fought "the best 147 guy". Who was that?..... out of morbid curiosity. Seriously..... I'm VERY curious.
"The best 154 guy". Who was that? Mosley? Trout? Cotto? Again... just trying to follow your logic here.
Mosley..... way past his prime at nearly 41 years old. Had won a grand total of 2 of his previous 6 fights. That Mosley?
Trout..... is that the one? Could be...... right? Ok, we'll let that one skate.
Cotto? The woefully undersized Cotto? I thought Cotto fought brilliantly and gave it all he had. But he never had the size to bother Canelo, who undoubtedly has a great chin. And let's face it. Cotto was never going to win a decision in Canelo's backyard.
The best 160 pounder twice.
Wait...... not so fast. What did he do before that? Did he fight GGG right away? Strike while the iron was hot?
No. He waited for the fight to "marinate", waiting to "grow into 160" and what did he do? Remember? I'll jar your memory a little bit.
He snuck out for a foray at 170 with JCC Jr.
Only after he saw he could handle the weight against THAT mummy....... THEN he faced GGG twice, losing both times but being gifted the decisions by the corrupt Mexican mafia. (Of course, we all knew he was a bonafide 160 all along). ;) ;)
THEN..... he jumps up..... cherry picks Rocky Fielding for the fukking trinket (I know you don't like the cherry picking term but it applies perfectly here).
And NOW he's talking about jumping up to challenge Kovalev.
Ok. Now you can uncover your face and see who wrote this.
For someone who allegedly "hates Canelo", you certainly skip over some of the damning facts. I'm more than happy to fill in the obvious blanks.
Canelo's people see this as a good risk-reward proposition IMO. Kovelev is not a very good inside fighter and will be dismantled by Canelo’s wicked left hooks to the body. Once Kov weakens and tires—as he did against Yarde—the Redhead will look directly at the Russian’s stomach (as he did against James Kirkland) but throw a brutal right upstairs that the Russian will not see coming. He will be sedated ala Khan, Kirkland , Gomez, Baldamir, and others. The last guy to really wobble and hurt Canelo was Jose Cotto back in 2010. Thing is, Canelo has improved over the years and arguably is the best or second best one out there.
GGG does not hit harder than Kovalev.
Does A.Stevenson hit harder than Wilder?
Canelo fades after the 6th round and that’s the same with Kovalev.
Just imagine how prepared Kovalev will be for this fight..
Kovalev arguably beat a former P4P fighter in Ward in the first fight and will not tolerate being outboxed by a smaller franchise champion.
I rate Canelo but the sick, corrupt organisation behind him is allowing him to do whatever he wants..did we forget he’s a drug cheat.?!
If Canelo does loose it’s the weight excuse..Canelo should be beating the best in his division..stay at 160 and beat Andrade, beat up GGG (convincingly) and fight BJS at 168 for another belt..then after that, around early 2021 Kovalev will be old enough and less of a risk for the fight to be happen.
It’s all talk at the moment..nothing signed.
Id rather see canelo fight at middleweight rather than this kovalev fight, it'll just end in some stupidity like the kov ward fights, and kov will probably just get bummed out of it due to some daftness
I've not read a single post in this thread, the love for Canelo on this site is sickening, even for a gay man like me.
However, Andre Ward told me Kovalev was his best win, so if the cherry picking Canelo beats him it proves how overrated Ward is. Fact. That is all.
Best at 154-Lara, The Ring had him number 1 in 2 different years surrounding the fight
Best at 160 twice-GGG. GGG is still the best at 160 until proven otherwise
I don’t really care that some had GGG winning both, I agree with them. It’s only relevant in this conversation that he fought them. Because I’m talking about expectations. We don’t expect fighters to win, we expect them to fight. Winning and losing is about how good you are, a separate subject. It’s well known I don’t think Canelo was even the best at 154, let alone 160. I’m discussing expectations
With that said, Kovalev isn’t what he used to be at all. He has really gone down hill. So Canelo fighting Kovalev now isn’t the same as Ward fighting Kovalev at the top of his game. That’s just a ridiculous argument
Is Kovalev past his best? Yes. Is he still an active winning champion? Yes. Top 3 at 175? Yes. Does he have a significant natural size, height and reach advantage? Yes. Is he still a quality boxer? Yes. Does he still possess big power? Yes.
So how can that man possibly be regarded a "gimme" unless the guy he's facing is special? Special like Ward? If Kovalev is such a "gimme" what does that make Elider Alvarez? Pascal? Even unbeaten prospects like Yarde?
The point is - fans who can't separate their personal feelings for a fighter - love or hate - don't make sense. Without realising it they're saying Canelo is special. Fact.