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    Default Re: Munguia beats up another little fighter

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    Well I guess one thing we can all agree on is that belts are worthless, at least as compared with the belts of years past. A perfect example is Munguia. Gifted a "world" title shot (using the same quotation marks here) after a parade of nondescript opponents all save one inside of Mexico. When the shot finally arrived, it was against the woefully undersized and thoroughly outgunned Ali. Bookmakers may have made Ali the favorite... but then again few bookmakers KSAB. The result was an upset only to those who lean on bookmaker favorites for advice.

    My pet peeve with belts is that now more than ever they're being used as "tools" to further the boxing orgs' agendas. "X" fighter is chosen for stardom for whatever reason.... the path will be paved with gold and rose petals, until a suitable trinket can be found and fought for.... against a fattened calf.

    Like I said before.... it's pageantry.
    Bookmakers don't give advice, they make decisions based on evidence and knowledge, then stick their money where their mouth is (apologies to punters who know the score and can't get on ). It's incredible how they remain in business seeing as everyone knew Ali had no chance yet he remained odds-on favourite all the way until Munguia started battering him.

    Would you mind providing all the other "certain upsets" coming up in the rest of the year? There's literally dozens and dozens fights priced up? Thanks.


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    I didn't SAY bookmakers GIVE advice. I said some look to bookmakers for advice. Subtle difference, and one I'm hoping needs no further explanation.

    The fact that bookmakers had made Ali the favorite against the free-swinging, power-punching, double-the-size Munguia just proves to me that some oddsmakers DKSAB.
    You see this is a perfect example of why petty arguments start on here. From reading your second post I now realise you DKSA Betting markets or how they're formed.

    This is not an insult, please don't take it that way, as there's no reason for you to care or know anything about gambling. I now understand why you think what you think.


    No insult taken. All I was trying to say is that some people (maybe casuals, who knows) only form an opinion about an upcoming fight after looking at what the bookmakers are saying. That's all. Not that bookmakers are giving anybody any advice. IMO, giving advice is totally different from people looking at what you say or do and using it as advice.

    And you're absolutely correct. IDKSABM and I'll be the first to admit it.

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    Default Re: Munguia beats up another little fighter

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    @Spicoli - Your problem with Loma is, he was gifted a WBO shot in his 2nd fight when there were more "worthy" and "deserving" contenders, right? You said the guys who "earnt" their shot. However, you're now saying "not the WBO top ranked contenders, The Ring ratings."

    I said - it's one of four belts, it's not the days of one champion, right? Four belts with four completely different rankings (so guys rated by the WBC are different to the WBO etc).

    I fully understand the alphabet rankings are nonsense, that's the whole point I was making.

    So give me an example of a current "world" champion who beat 6 or 7 independently rated (The Ring top 10) "contenders" before getting an alphabet shot?
    Honestly dude you have me dizzy with that and why we're back to Loma in a Munguia thread beats me. You were the one initially going on about "15 championship level fighters" this and that. I don't recall talking about "earnt" "worthy" or "deserving" or trying to legitimize those alphabet contenders other than replying that the alphabet group saw fit to have guys ranked higher than the fella Loma squashed but it resulted in him getting the immediate 1-0 title fight and shines a light on the entire system we all know is crooked and stacked. He jumped over 5,6 guys into a title fight..Munguia is an established trinket holder. It's apples and oranges. But cans are cans. These groups count on putting a few in the mix so they keep 'the next stars' fed and showcased. I mentioned only the Ring ranks from the get go as legit and how (Russell Jr) was unranked there when Loma got his immediate title do over after losing to Salido. Not sure where beating 6-7 Ring contenders before a title fight comes in and not sure such a fighter with that many exists.
    Sorry, no worries, I thought you missed my point because I badly explained it, that's all, but we're not even on the same page. I make myself dizzy
    No worries indeed man I badly explain shat all the time. Dizziness comes easy when trying to make sense of these crooked feckers. And Saturday booze. That does it too.

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    Default Re: Munguia beats up another little fighter

    so munguia's steps up to middle against o'sullivan. safe enough with hogan already tied up. adames vs teixeira for the vacant title?
    Apply shame. Apply fame. The crook and the flail.

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    Default Re: Munguia beats up another little fighter

    Too bad O’Sullivan wasn’t a little younger because it would be a fun fight. It may still be since Munguia is moving up

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    Default Re: Munguia beats up another little fighter

    I just don't see Munguia a great deal at the very top of 160 and Spike should be a safe bet at this point to let him get his feet wet. Odd really, more often than not you see a reigning wbo trinket holder ushered right into a top spot when they go up a division but not sure Spike even cracks their top 20 today.

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    Default Re: Munguia beats up another little fighter

    Quote Originally Posted by TIC View Post
    so munguia's steps up to middle against o'sullivan. safe enough with hogan already tied up. adames vs teixeira for the vacant title?
    Looks like it, Adames feels like the real deal but have to wonder where he's at with bit of a quick turn given the tragedy with Day last out.

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