Boxing Forums


.



User Tag List

Thanks Thanks:  1
Likes Likes:  22
Dislikes Dislikes:  1
Results 1 to 15 of 99

Thread: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

Share/Bookmark

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Fenay, Longvic
    Posts
    1,016
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    20
    Cool Clicks

    Default Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    What about a prime Lennox? Or a 1991 Holyfield? Or 1988 Tyson? You know, the Tyson who just bludgeon Holmes and Spinks

    Is it safe to say, that, that exciting Muhammad Ali that we all remember from the 1970s was only just a shell of what he was in the 60s?

    And still look what he accomplished in the 1970s, as a heavier and slower and older more flat-footed fighter that he ever was before. And yet still he would mix it up and go toe-to-toe and still out punch and out box everybody

    Look how he had to get revenge two times each against Ken Norton and Joe Frazier.

    Always wonder what a Foreman rematch would have looked like.

    It's hard I think to imagine anybody greater than Muhammad Ali. So what do you all say? Is there anybody seriously in the history of boxing who could be a prime Muhammad Ali? If so who would that be?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    3,962
    Mentioned
    28 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    378
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    I always say that although I might be biased, Ali is the GOAT. The few fights before he lost his license were his peak and he looked unstoppable. With that said, nobody is actually unstoppable. I think that it would have taken someone like Holyfield to beat him. Someone who would come forward and could take all that he gave him.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Sep 2019
    Location
    Fenay, Longvic
    Posts
    1,016
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    20
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Excellent points.

    Yeah prime Evander 1991 would be nearly impossible for anyone, though I believe Foreman in 1973 would demolish Evander. Hell when Foreman was 42 years old he put a hurt on Holyfield that Holyfield says was the worst he ever got. And that is slow old man George Foreman.

    Still wish there was a rematch between Ali and Foreman. Foreman would not have fought that same kind of fight. I think formans Jab if he had thrown 25 Jabs per round would have landed consistently on Ali's face, and would have made a big difference after four or five rounds. That coupled with George Foreman not throwing so many bombs and tiring himself out.

    Also Ali got away with murder with all the holding and grabbing behind the head

    But yeah 1966 1967 Muhammad Ali even 1965 and even 1964 somewhat this guy Cassius Clay was untouchable.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    58,603
    Mentioned
    516 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2986
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Yes he could be beaten. Incredible ring general he was, yes he was beatable, all fighters are from the best to the worst. Incredible boxer, outstanding skill, but yes he could have been beaten.

    Holyfield I think is a guy in ANY era of boxing he'd give the best of the best of the best a hard time. Joe Louis was like that, Marciano to an extent (given he wasn't even really heavyweight sized) was like that. Not that they'd be the ones to beat Ali, but they were just not easy fights at any point in their careers. Foreman kind of evolved and his raw ability as a young fighter is only rivaled by Wilder.
    "Drown in a vat of whiskey.....death where is thy sting?" - W.C. Fields.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    56,889
    Mentioned
    1464 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2705
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Lennox may have the size and skill to overpower Ali, Tyson had the speed and power to trouble Ali, Holmes had the jab and chin but they are not greater than him.
    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Posts
    58,603
    Mentioned
    516 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Punch Power
    2986
    Cool Clicks

    Default Re: Can ANYBODY in history defeat 1967 Ali?

    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Lennox may have the size and skill to overpower Ali, Tyson had the speed and power to trouble Ali, Holmes had the jab and chin but they are not greater than him.
    Greater doesn't always win though does it? We can look back on any number of fights where the overwhelming favorite got beat and in hypothetical matchups sometimes that is lost or dismissed.

    Ali took punches from some big boppers in Foreman and Frazier and Shavers, but who is to say what would happen if someone was able to keep Ali at arm's length and force Ali to get on the inside? Never happened. Ali DID struggle with guys with good jabs, but that's later in his career.


    Some people feel better putting Ali on a pedestal and saying he's The Goat and he'd never get beaten the same way others do it about Tyson or I've done it about Louis and Marciano, but those are just personal preferences at the end of the day. There's something to like about the swagger, the style, the grit, the heart, the performances put on by those incredible athletes and hell it's something that is across all sport. People love to elevate those they truly enjoyed to godlike status....some of them made their skills seem divine Ali was certainly one of them.








    ......but he's no Joe Louis
    "Drown in a vat of whiskey.....death where is thy sting?" - W.C. Fields.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

     

Similar Threads

  1. Nobody beats 1960 to 1967 Muhammad Ali, EVER!
    By brocktonblockbust in forum Boxing Talk
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 06-13-2016, 09:21 AM
  2. 1990 "Tokyo" Buster Douglas vs 1967 Ali/1974 Foreman
    By brocktonblockbust in forum Boxing Talk
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 03-30-2016, 06:37 AM
  3. 1993 Bowe vs 1967 Ali
    By brocktonblockbust in forum Boxing Talk
    Replies: 30
    Last Post: 03-27-2016, 02:01 AM
  4. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 11-17-2014, 09:37 PM

Bookmarks

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  





Boxing | Boxing Photos | Boxing News | Boxing Videos | Boxing Forum | Boxing Books | Boxing Posters | Learn to Box | Advanced Fighting Methods | Boxing Rankings | Boxing Schedule | Auctions | Fun and Games | Boxing Equipment

Copyright © 2000 - 2019 Saddo Boxing - Boxing