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    Default Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

    Who ranks higher all time? I say Floyd is the better fighter (more skilled), while Pacquiao is the greater fighter (better resume and accomplishments).

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    Default Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

    Floyd. I think when it really comes down to it, Floyd easily beat Pacquiao. I would say whoever won that fight got to claim a higher ranking over the other. And I don’t want to hear about Pacquiao being smaller and fighting at a bigger weight. Floyd was a small welterweight and Pacquiao proved welterweight to most likely be his best weight (he was most dominant at that weight).

    I think that overall, Pacquiao has the better resume, but he has also lost on multiple occasions. Floyd only had a few close fights. I think that Floyd proved to be the greater fighter.

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    Default Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

    As said Floyd has the victory in the head to head and the '0'.

    Not really a close decision for me
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    Default Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

    Pacquiao took lots of risks during his career. He managed weight divisions like few others before or after him. Losses do not necessarily diminish a fighter's career in my eyes. Especially when so many "0"s are nurtured like newborn babies. Can't argue with head-to-head, though. Floyd better fighter of the two... Pacquiao more impressive career.

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    Default Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

    Floyd is a great boxer, but holy shit he tippy toed his way to keeping that 0. Hell of a boxer, but you just wonder...WHAT IF.


    What if Casamayor or Freitas at 130
    What if a younger De la Hoya and Mosley
    What if Hatton at 140
    What if Cotto pre-Margarito with a trainer he still had full confidence in
    What if a younger Zab Judah
    What if Kostya Tszyu
    What if Paul Williams
    What if Margarito
    What if Sergio Martinez
    What if GGG

    I mean is Floyd still a favorite to beat those guys? Probably. Does he still beat those guys? Most likely....but as a fan it's not getting to see those big fights ever happen that sucks.


    Floyd made a bunch of money, he is the A#1 boxer known worldwide, he can do exhibition bouts vs anyone and make millions, but to me as a fan his career is a disappointment because he was too much about self preservation and not enough about having a challenge and testing himself.

    Is it better to have a loss or two or have all the what ifs? I mean with the lower weight class fighters speculation does run rampant about catchweights (that's another bullshit thing) which fighter moves up or down what are the advantages. Strategywise, setting up matchups Floyd is a genius and hell he still had to make the business happen in the ring....I'm in awe of that......still I'm thinking he could have been undeniably the greatest by making different matchups at different points in his career and the careers of other fighters but oh well.
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    Default Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Floyd is a great boxer, but holy shit he tippy toed his way to keeping that 0. Hell of a boxer, but you just wonder...WHAT IF.


    What if Casamayor or Freitas at 130
    What if a younger De la Hoya and Mosley
    What if Hatton at 140
    What if Cotto pre-Margarito with a trainer he still had full confidence in
    What if a younger Zab Judah
    What if Kostya Tszyu
    What if Paul Williams
    What if Margarito
    What if Sergio Martinez
    What if GGG

    I mean is Floyd still a favorite to beat those guys? Probably. Does he still beat those guys? Most likely....but as a fan it's not getting to see those big fights ever happen that sucks.


    Floyd made a bunch of money, he is the A#1 boxer known worldwide, he can do exhibition bouts vs anyone and make millions, but to me as a fan his career is a disappointment because he was too much about self preservation and not enough about having a challenge and testing himself.

    Is it better to have a loss or two or have all the what ifs? I mean with the lower weight class fighters speculation does run rampant about catchweights (that's another bullshit thing) which fighter moves up or down what are the advantages. Strategywise, setting up matchups Floyd is a genius and hell he still had to make the business happen in the ring....I'm in awe of that......still I'm thinking he could have been undeniably the greatest by making different matchups at different points in his career and the careers of other fighters but oh well.
    I think that Floyd ducking is very overstated. I feel that he maybe swerved a few people, but overall, he fought good fighters. And some of those people that he “ducked” he actually called out and they avoided him. Remember, Floyd wasn’t Money Mayweather until after the De La Hoya fight. People avoided him before that because he didn’t produce the big paycheck.

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    Default Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Floyd is a great boxer, but holy shit he tippy toed his way to keeping that 0. Hell of a boxer, but you just wonder...WHAT IF.


    What if Casamayor or Freitas at 130
    What if a younger De la Hoya and Mosley
    What if Hatton at 140
    What if Cotto pre-Margarito with a trainer he still had full confidence in
    What if a younger Zab Judah
    What if Kostya Tszyu
    What if Paul Williams
    What if Margarito
    What if Sergio Martinez
    What if GGG

    I mean is Floyd still a favorite to beat those guys? Probably. Does he still beat those guys? Most likely....but as a fan it's not getting to see those big fights ever happen that sucks.


    Floyd made a bunch of money, he is the A#1 boxer known worldwide, he can do exhibition bouts vs anyone and make millions, but to me as a fan his career is a disappointment because he was too much about self preservation and not enough about having a challenge and testing himself.

    Is it better to have a loss or two or have all the what ifs? I mean with the lower weight class fighters speculation does run rampant about catchweights (that's another bullshit thing) which fighter moves up or down what are the advantages. Strategywise, setting up matchups Floyd is a genius and hell he still had to make the business happen in the ring....I'm in awe of that......still I'm thinking he could have been undeniably the greatest by making different matchups at different points in his career and the careers of other fighters but oh well.
    So in a career of about 20 years and 5 divisions you need to speculate about a 6th division to come up with 7 names he didn’t fight that you would have liked him to fight. And you see this as an argument against him, that should be an argument for him.

    You use when and where he fought Oscar, Shane, Hatton, and Cotto against him when it is well documented that they rejected offers from him, at the times you would have liked, at 140 for Ricky and Miguel, a decade earlier for Shane and Oscar. Keep in mind none of these 4 made him a counter offer. In fact they all flat said no. Or “we aren’t looking to fight him right now” is the best, softest version of no.

    I think people just don’t see how wildly unjust they are to Floyd. Dude was and is a dirtbag so he deserves it. But it’s not like Pacquiao has 1 or 2 losses, he has 7, and 2 draws. And Floyd made him look f’n easy H2H. This really should not be a debate. It’s like who is tougher Superman or Aquaman. Aquaman had a great career but f, Superman is Superman. Obviously not saying Floyd is Superman but there is a reason he could make hundreds of millions of dollars with a style most don’t appreciate, because he was that damn good.

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    Default Re: Floyd or Pacquiao, who ranks higher?

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Floyd is a great boxer, but holy shit he tippy toed his way to keeping that 0. Hell of a boxer, but you just wonder...WHAT IF.


    What if Casamayor or Freitas at 130
    What if a younger De la Hoya and Mosley
    What if Hatton at 140
    What if Cotto pre-Margarito with a trainer he still had full confidence in
    What if a younger Zab Judah
    What if Kostya Tszyu
    What if Paul Williams
    What if Margarito
    What if Sergio Martinez
    What if GGG

    I mean is Floyd still a favorite to beat those guys? Probably. Does he still beat those guys? Most likely....but as a fan it's not getting to see those big fights ever happen that sucks.


    Floyd made a bunch of money, he is the A#1 boxer known worldwide, he can do exhibition bouts vs anyone and make millions, but to me as a fan his career is a disappointment because he was too much about self preservation and not enough about having a challenge and testing himself.

    Is it better to have a loss or two or have all the what ifs? I mean with the lower weight class fighters speculation does run rampant about catchweights (that's another bullshit thing) which fighter moves up or down what are the advantages. Strategywise, setting up matchups Floyd is a genius and hell he still had to make the business happen in the ring....I'm in awe of that......still I'm thinking he could have been undeniably the greatest by making different matchups at different points in his career and the careers of other fighters but oh well.
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