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    Default Orthodox Jews murdered by 2 Black Hebrew Israelites in Jersey City NJ

    FBI Raids “Black Hebrew Israelites” Church In Harlem Following Jersey City Shooting Attack THAT KILLED 3 ORTHODOX JEWS

    December 22, 2019 1:55 am

    Fears that a deadly shooting at a Jewish market in Jersey City by 2 Black Hebrew Israelites was clearly an anti-Semitic attack became reality on Wednesday as authorities recounted how a man and woman deliberately pulled up to the place in a stolen rental van with at least 2 rifles and 2 pipe bombs and got out firing.

    A week after the gunbattle and standoff that left six people dead — the two killers, a police officer and three people who had been inside the store — state and federal law enforcement officials they have established the motive for the attack.

    “The why and the ideology and the motivation — that’s what we wanted to uncover,” New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal said, adding that authorities are also trying to determine if anyone else was involved.

    Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop said surveillance video of the attackers made it clear they targeted the kosher market, and he pronounced the bloodshed a hate crime against Jews, as did New York’s mayor and governor.

    Also, investigators determined the two dead attackers — who were thought to be a couple — identified themselves as Black Hebrew Israelites, an African American movement whose members have been known to rail against whites and Jews, according to a law enforcement official who was briefed on the matter but was not authorized to discuss the case publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

    In addition, authorities have found social media postings from at least one of the killers that were anti-police and anti-Jewish, the official said. The FBI on Wednesday searched the Harlem headquarters of the Israelite Church of God, which is the formal name of the Black Hebrew group, according to the official.

    The killers were identified as David N. Anderson, 47, and Francine Graham, 50 — both of them also prime suspects in the slaying of a livery driver found dead in a car trunk in nearby Bayonne over the weekend, Grewal said. Anderson served about four months in prison in New Jersey on weapons charges and was paroled in 2011, authorities said.

    Three of the victims at the store were identified by members of the Orthodox Jewish community as Mindel Ferencz, 31, who with her husband owned the grocery, Menachem Bogdanov, 27, and 24-year-old Moshe Deutsch, a rabbinical student from Brooklyn who was shopping there. The Ferencz family had moved to Jersey City from Brooklyn. Authorities identified the third victim as store owner Douglas Miguel Rodriguez, 49.

    ***GOD BLESS THE ORTHODOX JEWISH COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY DURING THIS CHANNUKA SEASON. AND CURSES TO THE SO-CALLED BKACK HEBREW ISRAELITES FAKE RELIGION AND FAKE AGENDA****

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    "The report from the Jersey City mayor saying it was a targeted attack makes us incredibly concerned in the Jewish community,” said Evan Bernstein, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, the Jewish civil rights organization. “They want answers. They demand answers. If this was truly a targeted killing of Jews, then we need to know that right away, and there needs to be the pushing back on this at the highest levels possible. The so-called Black Hebrew Israelites are clearly behind this and they have been behind plenty of other attacks in the Newark New Jersey area since the 1980s."

    The bloodshed in the city of 270,000 people across the Hudson River from New York City began at a graveyard, where Detective Joseph Seals, a 40-year-old member of a unit devoted to taking illegal weapons off the street, was gunned down by the assailants, authorities said. They then drove the van about a mile to the kosher market.

    Grewal said that within seconds of pulling up to the market, Anderson got out with a rifle and immediately began shooting, and Graham followed him into the store. He would not say whether Graham had a weapon.

    A pipe bomb was found in the van, FBI agent Gregory Ehrie said.

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    On a personal note I remember back in the 90s getting into heated arguments on street corners in Newark New Jersey with a group of about seven Black Hebrew Israelites about different points of Judaism and the Bible. They have megaphones and they are dressed in robes like you see Moses dressing in the old movies. And they wear these sparkling hats with glitter and shiny gold and silver stars on them and they carry these big wooden staffs in their hand 6 feet high and they wave it menacingly and they shout menacingly through the megaphones. They harass anybody walking by who is not like them. Knowing how argumentative I am I would always get sucked into it and I would stand there sometimes for 30 minutes arguing and shouting back at them but since they have megaphones it is very hard to carry out an argument and they really don't want to listen to other people's opinions. But if anybody wants to know about the Black Hebrew Israelites just ask me. I have first-hand information and first-hand live experience with them for many years over in the Newark New Jersey area on the street

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    Default Re: Orthodox Jews murdered by 2 Black Hebrew Israelites in Jersey City NJ

    I have to say I don’t know that much about this group other than listening to them with megaphones and a couple documentaries I don’t think violence is common amongst them

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    I don't have any statistics but they have committed acts of violence and they are definitely verbally intimidating and aggressive and hostile and before Cory Booker was the mayor of Newark the previous mayor had banned them from the corner of broad and branford streets as well as from the corner of church and orange streets in Newark New Jersey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    I don't have any statistics but they have committed acts of violence and they are definitely verbally intimidating and aggressive and hostile and before Cory Booker was the mayor of Newark the previous mayor had banned them from the corner of broad and branford streets as well as from the corner of church and orange streets in Newark New Jersey
    I’ve listened to their rap i Manhattan where they set up and “preach”. Some of it was funny and I couldn’t help but laugh. They didn’t like that and sent the biggest dude the had to stand next to me, and he was a monster but I stayed to listen and laughed a couple more times. Hey, if you want to stand in the middle of a busy manhattan street screaming for attention go right ahead but don’t think you can police who stops to listen and I wasn’t laughing to be rude it was literally funny (parts of it) all the races on the planet have done horrible shit but to continuously label one as “evil” really doesn’t help matters much. We gotta figure out how to live together. @Fatboxingfan we used to have a guy here named Brock who really hated white people and thought they were all evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatboxingfan View Post
    FBI Raids “Black Hebrew Israelites” Church In Harlem Following Jersey City Shooting Attack THAT KILLED 3 ORTHODOX JEWS

    December 22, 2019 1:55 am

    Fears that a deadly shooting at a Jewish market in Jersey City by 2 Black Hebrew Israelites was clearly an anti-Semitic attack became reality on Wednesday as authorities recounted how a man and woman deliberately pulled up to the place in a stolen rental van with at least 2 rifles and 2 pipe bombs and got out firing.

    A week after the gunbattle and standoff that left six people dead — the two killers, a police officer and three people who had been inside the store — state and federal law enforcement officials they have established the motive for the attack.

    “The why and the ideology and the motivation — that’s what we wanted to uncover,” New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal said, adding that authorities are also trying to determine if anyone else was involved.

    Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop said surveillance video of the attackers made it clear they targeted the kosher market, and he pronounced the bloodshed a hate crime against Jews, as did New York’s mayor and governor.

    Also, investigators determined the two dead attackers — who were thought to be a couple — identified themselves as Black Hebrew Israelites, an African American movement whose members have been known to rail against whites and Jews, according to a law enforcement official who was briefed on the matter but was not authorized to discuss the case publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

    In addition, authorities have found social media postings from at least one of the killers that were anti-police and anti-Jewish, the official said. The FBI on Wednesday searched the Harlem headquarters of the Israelite Church of God, which is the formal name of the Black Hebrew group, according to the official.

    The killers were identified as David N. Anderson, 47, and Francine Graham, 50 — both of them also prime suspects in the slaying of a livery driver found dead in a car trunk in nearby Bayonne over the weekend, Grewal said. Anderson served about four months in prison in New Jersey on weapons charges and was paroled in 2011, authorities said.

    Three of the victims at the store were identified by members of the Orthodox Jewish community as Mindel Ferencz, 31, who with her husband owned the grocery, Menachem Bogdanov, 27, and 24-year-old Moshe Deutsch, a rabbinical student from Brooklyn who was shopping there. The Ferencz family had moved to Jersey City from Brooklyn. Authorities identified the third victim as store owner Douglas Miguel Rodriguez, 49.

    ***GOD BLESS THE ORTHODOX JEWISH COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY DURING THIS CHANNUKA SEASON. AND CURSES TO THE SO-CALLED BKACK HEBREW ISRAELITES FAKE RELIGION AND FAKE AGENDA****
    So let me get this straight - All of this was done at a time when Trump signed an executive order to make Judaism a nationality.





    I believe the police killed the people in the market during the gun battle and have falsified the timeline and other events in order to make the BHI the fall guy.

    Jersey City PD is trying to avoid the L the Miramar, FL PD took in killing a hostage during a gun battle last month. So mayor DeBlasio is using this to target black people in New York. White supremacists using propaganda and calling it anti Semitic base when its anti Black.

    White supremacists have done it before.



    By the way the whole reason we use the term 'white supremacy' is because the entire legal system is controlled by white people thus they are supreme.

    Its impossible for a black person to be a black supremacist.

    These Black Hebrew Israelites are these big bad scary Black Supremacists ? Right ? Yet they have Latinos and Native Americans in their group ?

    But expect new hate group designations and corresponding laws coming soon.

    Look at the facts

    1) Grainy video of "suspects."



    So that's the best pic White supremacists have in a city like N.York where there's a camera on every street corner ?

    Are they black supremacists from Wakanda ?



    2) No motive.
    the
    Israelites don’t promote killing, especially in this fashion that they are laying out in the story. They said the guy had sophisticated pipe bombs. That’s something white people do. Plus most members of BHI are middle aged and upper black men. So these ain't young gang bangers.

    And if the market was the target, why stop at the cemetery ? If they really hated Jews, why on a Tuesday and not on a Saturday when they all walk to synagogue ?

    3) No clear footage of "suspects."

    As you can see.

    Also whoever came up with the headline should be asked why the default analysis was not that the shooter was "mentally ill" ? And why didn't authors of most of the articles written about this not have the courage to put their name on it ? And instead just say "Associated Press"

    4) No information on the person who rented the U-haul that they allegedly stole from

    Why did they take so long to release their names ? Where is their social media ?

    But it's the usual story of



    The double standard when white supremacists shoot up Churches, Schools, and Walmart's. They come out and say "All white people aren't racist" But a couple of severely mentally ill black people (And I'm far from certain they were black or BHI) have a meltdown and all of a sudden they make it about all black people.

    Finally if alleged members of a black Jewish organization like the Black Hebrew Israelite's harm white Jewish people and its considered anti-Semitic. Is it also anti-Semitic when white Jewish people harm black Jewish people in Israel ?


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    Default Re: Orthodox Jews murdered by 2 Black Hebrew Israelites in Jersey City NJ

    A picture of Bill DeBlasio and his family presented without further comment.....

    "Drown in a vat of whiskey.....death where is thy sting?" - W.C. Fields.

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    Default Re: Orthodox Jews murdered by 2 Black Hebrew Israelites in Jersey City NJ

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    A picture of Bill DeBlasio and his family presented without further comment.....

    Thomas Jefferson (A slave master who had hundreds of slaves) also had black children

    What's your point?

    His son looks like one of the Jackson five



    In the times of slavery DeBlasio would have sold him.

    NYPD and Deblasio work hand in hand

    • On front end Deblasio makes a big deal about how he tells police to do something but on the back end he tells them to ignore it
    • On front end Deblasio makes a big deal about how he tells police to stop arresting blk ppl for bullsh*t but on the back end he tells them to ignore it as they keep doing it year after year
    • On front end Deblasio makes a big deal about his black family, but on the back end he makes sure NYPD is shaking down black businesses, doing stop & frisk

    After all he let the killers of Eric Garner walk


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    Quote Originally Posted by Denilson-The-Comeback View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    A picture of Bill DeBlasio and his family presented without further comment.....

    Thomas Jefferson (A slave master who had hundreds of slaves) also had black children

    What's your point?

    His son looks like one of the Jackson five



    In the times of slavery DeBlasio would have sold him.

    NYPD and Deblasio work hand in hand

    • On front end Deblasio makes a big deal about how he tells police to do something but on the back end he tells them to ignore it
    • On front end Deblasio makes a big deal about how he tells police to stop arresting blk ppl for bullsh*t but on the back end he tells them to ignore it as they keep doing it year after year
    • On front end Deblasio makes a big deal about his black family, but on the back end he makes sure NYPD is shaking down black businesses, doing stop & frisk

    After all he let the killers of Eric Garner walk




    I mean wow, you never fail to astound me Denilson


    Yes Thomas Jefferson the man who lived in the 18th Century had slaves and children by slaves.....aaaaaand your point would be? That this is the exact same as the 1700's?

    Yeah the whole Eric Garner thing was due to the taxes the city collects off of tobacco sales and Mr. Garner essentially cut out the middle man and provided cigarettes sans tax. But hey you want to make a race thing out of it (like everything else) go right ahead...I suppose the black officers are just operating out of their "White Supremacy" mindset

    Stop & Frisk is effective....oh no there's an over representation of certain people in those stop and frisks....well is there possibly an over representation on crimes committed by similar groups hmmmm....MUST be racism

    I love how you've got negative personal responsibility and are just acted upon by the world, it's never not impressive to me how many sorry ass excuses you have. Everything is "But my skin color" ....fucking weak.
    "Drown in a vat of whiskey.....death where is thy sting?" - W.C. Fields.

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    When 15% of the population carries out 50% of violent crime, Denilson will still pin it on the 85%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    I mean wow, you never fail to astound me Denilson
    Right. OK

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Yes Thomas Jefferson the man who lived in the 18th Century had slaves and children by slaves.....aaaaaand your point would be? That this is the exact same as the 1700's?
    My point is just because DiBlasio just has a black wife and bi-racial kids means nothing

    American politician Strom Thurmond had a daughter to a black woman but he was a hardcore white supremacist. Halle Berry's white ex who she had a kid to was a white supremacist.

    Charles Murray who co-wrote the "The Bell Curve" had non white other. (The book that tries to prove how stupid black people are) True she was Asian not black. But he married and had kids to a woman that was not white.





    Richard Spencer (The self-proclaimed leader of "Alt-Right") was in a stream a few months bk and suddenly what many suspect was a black woman (hidden) combed in his room.





    The most staunch racist white man will always seek out a self-hating Black or Asian woman to be their gutter sex thing. She's so far in a sunken place that she's swimming in a quagmire.

    This has been going on for years



    Gay White supremacist Milo Yanopolous married a black man



    Many white guys will have sex with anything









    There is no systematic sexual abuse of kids in the black American community that's allowed.

    You hear me ?

    None

    You better not show your fucking face in the black community if your known to sexually mess with kids.

    Where as in the white community ?



    You let all these peadophiles run amok. It's open season. You have all types of sex rings globally.
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