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    Accurate info is not coming out of China regarding this coronavirus. I’m sure that doesn’t surprise anyone. I’ve been talking with a couple of families in China, they are scared to mention much on the phone as it is illegal for citizens to report any info that has not been released by the government. Also we told them several things they didn’t know regarding the virus in China.

    Jumping around but it’s been reported it was China that committed the experion hack in the US stealing info on 140 million or more Americans. Trump is trying to get countries who want to share law enforcement information with the US to get certain Chinese telecom companies out of the mix. Apparently China has bought off enough countries politicians, including our own, that there is a lot of resistance to this.

    When I look at the US and how trump is mocked on the news and via private parties it is pretty cool considering people do disappear these days in China for critiquing Xi. It’s something I don’t think we appreciate enough. China is an amazing country but damn shit is getting serious.

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    It is a very messed up situation not helped by the lack of free speech in China. For instance when first alerted, instead of responding with diligence the police wasted time harassing the doctor who is now dead. It took weeks for China to come clean and even then few trust the data coming out. Meanwhile with an open borders world, it has clearly started to spread.


    Not only the human impact, but the economic impact will be tremendous. And given the time it takes to spread in numbers all it takes is a few things like this to make it an issue elsewhere.

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    The virus is over here so it has infected the rest of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    The virus is over here so it has infected the rest of the world.
    Ya seems to be everywhere but the numbers outside China don’t look too bad yet. Of course that depends on how good diagnoses is as well. We sent of a care package of masks and various cleaners to friends in China as they are experiencing a shortage. My understanding is the masks do very little but everyone in China is wearing them I guess it at least provides some mental comfort. I think the hand sanitizers are probably more helpful

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    The virus is over here so it has infected the rest of the world.
    Ya seems to be everywhere but the numbers outside China don’t look too bad yet. Of course that depends on how good diagnoses is as well. We sent of a care package of masks and various cleaners to friends in China as they are experiencing a shortage. My understanding is the masks do very little but everyone in China is wearing them I guess it at least provides some mental comfort. I think the hand sanitizers are probably more helpful
    You are right the masks do very little.

    They think the virus came into humans through eating bats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    The virus is over here so it has infected the rest of the world.
    Ya seems to be everywhere but the numbers outside China don’t look too bad yet. Of course that depends on how good diagnoses is as well. We sent of a care package of masks and various cleaners to friends in China as they are experiencing a shortage. My understanding is the masks do very little but everyone in China is wearing them I guess it at least provides some mental comfort. I think the hand sanitizers are probably more helpful
    You are right the masks do very little.

    They think the virus came into humans through eating bats.
    I personally give very little credence to the bat eating story. It is most likely something more nefarious, though probably accidental. A lot more convincing other arguments as to the cause and China of course refusing any outside help.....for what reason? You do not lock down tens of millions of people over the flu.

    The masks do not work well and one reason is the masks do not cover the eyes and the other is that the infection stays alive on surfaces for more than several days. It is very easily spread. The mask is useful in some respects, but useless in others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
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    The virus is over here so it has infected the rest of the world.
    Ya seems to be everywhere but the numbers outside China don’t look too bad yet. Of course that depends on how good diagnoses is as well. We sent of a care package of masks and various cleaners to friends in China as they are experiencing a shortage. My understanding is the masks do very little but everyone in China is wearing them I guess it at least provides some mental comfort. I think the hand sanitizers are probably more helpful
    You are right the masks do very little.

    They think the virus came into humans through eating bats.
    I personally give very little credence to the bat eating story. It is most likely something more nefarious, though probably accidental. A lot more convincing other arguments as to the cause and China of course refusing any outside help.....for what reason? You do not lock down tens of millions of people over the flu.

    The masks do not work well and one reason is the masks do not cover the eyes and the other is that the infection stays alive on surfaces for more than several days. It is very easily spread. The mask is useful in some respects, but useless in others.
    There is that government bio lab in wuhan province where it broke up. Zerohedge and few other news outlet released some articles citing some doctors who stated they found this virus had markings of being manipulated by man and linking it to a specific doctor in that wuhan lab. Now zerohedge loves clickbait and TBH I can’t tell what is growing conspiracy theory and what may be fact. So I take those articles with a grain of salt. I do know my friends in China in the Anhui Provence were on lockdown from the Chinese New Year until this past Monday where most are allowed to return to work. Up until Monday they had to stay home and only one family member was allowed out 2-3 times a week for food and supplies. Even in their Provence schools are closed until March. Seriously, they don’t like talking about it much on the phone and talking about Hong Kong on the phone has been a big no no for quite sometime. My wife was in China on business just a couple months ago. Her company put her up in a decent western type hotel and they had CNN available in her room and she told me whenever mention of the Hong Kong demonstrations came up CNN would be blacked out for 10 minutes or so but as soon as they got back into trump bashing the blackout would end

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    The virus is over here so it has infected the rest of the world.
    Ya seems to be everywhere but the numbers outside China don’t look too bad yet. Of course that depends on how good diagnoses is as well. We sent of a care package of masks and various cleaners to friends in China as they are experiencing a shortage. My understanding is the masks do very little but everyone in China is wearing them I guess it at least provides some mental comfort. I think the hand sanitizers are probably more helpful
    You are right the masks do very little.

    They think the virus came into humans through eating bats.
    I personally give very little credence to the bat eating story. It is most likely something more nefarious, though probably accidental. A lot more convincing other arguments as to the cause and China of course refusing any outside help.....for what reason? You do not lock down tens of millions of people over the flu.

    The masks do not work well and one reason is the masks do not cover the eyes and the other is that the infection stays alive on surfaces for more than several days. It is very easily spread. The mask is useful in some respects, but useless in others.
    There is that government bio lab in wuhan province where it broke up. Zerohedge and few other news outlet released some articles citing some doctors who stated they found this virus had markings of being manipulated by man and linking it to a specific doctor in that wuhan lab. Now zerohedge loves clickbait and TBH I can’t tell what is growing conspiracy theory and what may be fact. So I take those articles with a grain of salt. I do know my friends in China in the Anhui Provence were on lockdown from the Chinese New Year until this past Monday where most are allowed to return to work. Up until Monday they had to stay home and only one family member was allowed out 2-3 times a week for food and supplies. Even in their Provence schools are closed until March. Seriously, they don’t like talking about it much on the phone and talking about Hong Kong on the phone has been a big no no for quite sometime. My wife was in China on business just a couple months ago. Her company put her up in a decent western type hotel and they had CNN available in her room and she told me whenever mention of the Hong Kong demonstrations came up CNN would be blacked out for 10 minutes or so but as soon as they got back into trump bashing the blackout would end
    It is a totalitarian regime and I have little time for it. Ricky Gervais was on the money with the sweat shop thing. Shame on any corporation that has gone there for a bit of money. Is that all that matters in life? Sorry Walrus, but Apple sucks.
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    Plus all that crap about blacking out CNN and being scared to tell the truth. It reminds you of some regimes in history. Oh, and do they have concentration camps? Oh, so where is the outrage? Apple stocks probably.
    Well shit miles you better start listing a lot more companies. I think 50% of Apple products are made in China but that number has been changing with the trade war etc. miles I can’t think of many companies that don’t have a presence in China. China is also a big market for iPhones. Let’s not forget Tesla built a factory in China as well. And yes, that shit does piss me off. Trillion dollar companies should not run sweat shops. I do like apple products as far as the stock goes it has been an incredible performer but not without fault. Apparently they are working on their own satellite network to send data to iPhones cutting out the providers. There are enough Apple products in the world for one in every 7 people to have one. Love them or hate them they have been an amazing company. What do you use miles Samsung? I’m not one of those Samsung haters, I’m sure they are good phones I see a lot of them. I just don’t get why the company can’t make money.

    Anyway I don’t know if wallstreet has realistically taken into account this virus and the impact of China. Some provinces are still in lockdown and like I said in the Anhui province up until Monday only one member of a family could leave the house 2 times a week, might have been 3, no one was working and schools are still closed it’s going to have a severe impact on China financially. But Xi did the western thing and pumped billions as a “stimulus” thing. So the financial shit is scary but the fact that we don’t really know how bad this virus is in China is a little frightening. @Gandalf how many cases reported in 2nd best Korea so far. And have you heard of any cases in Best Korea

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    i don't think anything gets out of china unless they want it to. seems like fearporn to me. they are still allowing flights out of china, allowed the superbowl to go ahead. now they don't even need a virus to shut things down. they can just announce an outbreak on tv & put things on lockdown, easy. how long can you survive with what you have in your household? i warned of this back in december. lots of similarities to the plot of contagion
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    i don't think anything gets out of china unless they want it to. seems like fearporn to me. they are still allowing flights out of china, allowed the superbowl to go ahead. now they don't even need a virus to shut things down. they can just announce an outbreak on tv & put things on lockdown, easy. how long can you survive with what you have in your household? i warned of this back in december. lots of similarities to the plot of contagion
    Why would we stop the Super Bowl though. People coming in from certain parts of chins are being diverted to quarantine areas.

    I hear you though I still remember reading the stand by Stephen King and it went into the original carriers one of who was on his way to see a ball game at yankee stadium. Of course kings virus was so severe by the time the game was over everyone had the disease. I don’t know though. After talking to friends in China every week since this happened it appears to be the real deal. I don’t have any knowledge beyond that.

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    Plus all that crap about blacking out CNN and being scared to tell the truth. It reminds you of some regimes in history. Oh, and do they have concentration camps? Oh, so where is the outrage? Apple stocks probably.
    Well shit miles you better start listing a lot more companies. I think 50% of Apple products are made in China but that number has been changing with the trade war etc. miles I can’t think of many companies that don’t have a presence in China. China is also a big market for iPhones. Let’s not forget Tesla built a factory in China as well. And yes, that shit does piss me off. Trillion dollar companies should not run sweat shops. I do like apple products as far as the stock goes it has been an incredible performer but not without fault. Apparently they are working on their own satellite network to send data to iPhones cutting out the providers. There are enough Apple products in the world for one in every 7 people to have one. Love them or hate them they have been an amazing company. What do you use miles Samsung? I’m not one of those Samsung haters, I’m sure they are good phones I see a lot of them. I just don’t get why the company can’t make money.

    Anyway I don’t know if wallstreet has realistically taken into account this virus and the impact of China. Some provinces are still in lockdown and like I said in the Anhui province up until Monday only one member of a family could leave the house 2 times a week, might have been 3, no one was working and schools are still closed it’s going to have a severe impact on China financially. But Xi did the western thing and pumped billions as a “stimulus” thing. So the financial shit is scary but the fact that we don’t really know how bad this virus is in China is a little frightening. @Gandalf how many cases reported in 2nd best Korea so far. And have you heard of any cases in Best Korea
    If we really care about human rights, it is very strange how China has been allowed to develop as it has. It has few personal freedoms, yet money was pumped into it without any consideration of how far the loss of personal liberty would be taken.

    Yep, a few cases out here and people in fear mode all masked up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
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    Plus all that crap about blacking out CNN and being scared to tell the truth. It reminds you of some regimes in history. Oh, and do they have concentration camps? Oh, so where is the outrage? Apple stocks probably.
    Well shit miles you better start listing a lot more companies. I think 50% of Apple products are made in China but that number has been changing with the trade war etc. miles I can’t think of many companies that don’t have a presence in China. China is also a big market for iPhones. Let’s not forget Tesla built a factory in China as well. And yes, that shit does piss me off. Trillion dollar companies should not run sweat shops. I do like apple products as far as the stock goes it has been an incredible performer but not without fault. Apparently they are working on their own satellite network to send data to iPhones cutting out the providers. There are enough Apple products in the world for one in every 7 people to have one. Love them or hate them they have been an amazing company. What do you use miles Samsung? I’m not one of those Samsung haters, I’m sure they are good phones I see a lot of them. I just don’t get why the company can’t make money.

    Anyway I don’t know if wallstreet has realistically taken into account this virus and the impact of China. Some provinces are still in lockdown and like I said in the Anhui province up until Monday only one member of a family could leave the house 2 times a week, might have been 3, no one was working and schools are still closed it’s going to have a severe impact on China financially. But Xi did the western thing and pumped billions as a “stimulus” thing. So the financial shit is scary but the fact that we don’t really know how bad this virus is in China is a little frightening. @Gandalf how many cases reported in 2nd best Korea so far. And have you heard of any cases in Best Korea
    If we really care about human rights, it is very strange how China has been allowed to develop as it has. It has few personal freedoms, yet money was pumped into it without any consideration of how far the loss of personal liberty would be taken.

    Yep, a few cases out here and people in fear mode all masked up.
    You will not get an argument from me about that. This shit should have been taken care of before China joined the WTO or was givin most favorite trade status by the US. Then again we started our China career making deals with Mao, hard to get worse than that. China was to big a market of consumers and cheap manufacturing everyone was biting at the bit to get a piece of the pie and eventually China was smart enough to get the upper hand. Can’t just blame the US on this. Britain, France, well damn all of Europe, any country that could took part. They showed there hand a bit how they bought Clinton and how Clinton collided with China to get elected but this shit has been going on for a long time. Looks like we have someone at least addressing it now. Funny we make all this money off each other but have enough bombs to take out the world pointing at each other.

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    i don't think anything gets out of china unless they want it to. seems like fearporn to me. they are still allowing flights out of china, allowed the superbowl to go ahead. now they don't even need a virus to shut things down. they can just announce an outbreak on tv & put things on lockdown, easy. how long can you survive with what you have in your household? i warned of this back in december. lots of similarities to the plot of contagion
    Why would we stop the Super Bowl though. People coming in from certain parts of chins are being diverted to quarantine areas.

    I hear you though I still remember reading the stand by Stephen King and it went into the original carriers one of who was on his way to see a ball game at yankee stadium. Of course kings virus was so severe by the time the game was over everyone had the disease. I don’t know though. After talking to friends in China every week since this happened it appears to be the real deal. I don’t have any knowledge beyond that.
    there was reports of the virus & how contagious it was weeks before superbowl, if it was really such a threat, having that many people in one place, many of whom may have traveled & been in contact with someone who had been in china, is not such a great idea. flights would have been stopped or turned back. they are still flying now. so there are two options, either it is not as bad as it's being made out, or they want it to spread
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