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    Default Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    Both have insane athleticism, and both did things in the sport that nobody has done before or since. But who ranks higher on the ATG list?

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    Roy Jones Jr.
    Former Undisputed 4 belt Prediction champion. Still P4P and People’s Champion.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    Roy Jones is the best pound for pound boxer I have seen in my life time. Better than sweat pea, PAC man, loma, JCC etc
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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    Manny . Competition is consistently insane as is longevity. Think he's a more fundamentally sound fighter. Has been planked under a half dozen times. Roy takes the explosiveness all time reflex phenom title though.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    very tough question.... did RJJs aura get tainted when he got KOed too much at the end? SHould we consider that part? Whereas Pac opnly got sparked that one time.... Pac maybe had better competition...... no not maybe, definitely.... I cant decide, really. RJJ going up to heavy and winning...

    I'll go with RJJ, but it was a very tough call, and Im not sure 100%.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell View Post
    very tough question.... did RJJs aura get tainted when he got KOed too much at the end? SHould we consider that part? Whereas Pac opnly got sparked that one time.... Pac maybe had better competition...... no not maybe, definitely.... I cant decide, really. RJJ going up to heavy and winning...

    I'll go with RJJ, but it was a very tough call, and Im not sure 100%.
    Anything after the ko by Tarver does not take away the brilliance of Roy Jones. He beat prime Toney, Hopkins, cleaned up light heavyweight and beat 1 heavyweight titlist.
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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    I love Roy, but when he was shot he was shot.

    Manny has past his prime but seems to have less tools that have diminished.

    Roy’s super human reflexes and killer combos were put to bed post Tarver 2..except Lacey?

    Hopefully Manny will retire before he has an embarrassing loss in the ring that shows his age.

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    Pretty boy was Floyds prime and he had the sense and brains to adjust his style to turn into a less fan friendly Money Mayweather!

    Floyd is the complete boxer who has adjusted his style knowing that he past his prime and continued to complete at a high level.

    Floyd is the TBE of this era and knew when to leave the sport.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    Going by emotions, I pick Pac. But if I go by what was proven- How I think fans 50 years or more would judge- I think basic mathematics. What did they accomplish.

    RJJ turned pro in 1989
    Won IBF middleweight title in 1993, 4 years after turning pro.
    Won IBF super middleweight title in 1994 over Boxing's then ranked #1 P4P fighter James Toney.
    Lost WBC light heavyweight title shot, then won it in 1997.
    1998 he became the WBC & WBA light heavyweight champ.
    1999 he became the WBC, WBA & IBF light heavyweight champ.
    2000 he became the WBC ,WBA, IBF & IBO light heavyweight champ.


    After such a house cleaning in the LHW division he decided to even grab all major & minor belts in 2002 when he retained/gained WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO, WBF & IBA light heavyweight titles.
    In 2003 he wins the pinnacle of Boxing's titles: Heavyweight champ.
    It would take 14 years before he lost his 2nd fight.


    Feel free to place Pac's record as a champ and or accomplishments. It doesn't compare.
    In Pac's prime he was tested against JMM to a draw (I had him winning), got out-boxed by Morales in their 1st fight & busted/bloodied up to boot. Had been stopped twice before he hit age 30. 2 draws before age 30. ( I think they were unfair draws, but also think RJJ DQ was unfair) My resolve is shit happens.

    Whereas Roy had no competitors in his youth, and he took on the #1 P4P fighter to win the SMW (albeit Toney fucked up by binge eating in between fights)
    Neither ranks in my top 10.
    RJJ ranks in my Top 20, Pac does not, but I don't see it as a bad thing for those who do put Pac in their top 20. Top 10, hell naw, I got a problem with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    Going by emotions, I pick Pac. But if I go by what was proven- How I think fans 50 years or more would judge- I think basic mathematics. What did they accomplish.

    RJJ turned pro in 1989
    Won IBF middleweight title in 1993, 4 years after turning pro.
    Won IBF super middleweight title in 1994 over Boxing's then ranked #1 P4P fighter James Toney.
    Lost WBC light heavyweight title shot, then won it in 1997.
    1998 he became the WBC & WBA light heavyweight champ.
    1999 he became the WBC, WBA & IBF light heavyweight champ.
    2000 he became the WBC ,WBA, IBF & IBO light heavyweight champ.


    After such a house cleaning in the LHW division he decided to even grab all major & minor belts in 2002 when he retained/gained WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO, WBF & IBA light heavyweight titles.
    In 2003 he wins the pinnacle of Boxing's titles: Heavyweight champ.
    It would take 14 years before he lost his 2nd fight.


    Feel free to place Pac's record as a champ and or accomplishments. It doesn't compare.
    In Pac's prime he was tested against JMM to a draw (I had him winning), got out-boxed by Morales in their 1st fight & busted/bloodied up to boot. Had been stopped twice before he hit age 30. 2 draws before age 30. ( I think they were unfair draws, but also think RJJ DQ was unfair) My resolve is shit happens.

    Whereas Roy had no competitors in his youth, and he took on the #1 P4P fighter to win the SMW (albeit Toney fucked up by binge eating in between fights)
    Neither ranks in my top 10.
    RJJ ranks in my Top 20, Pac does not, but I don't see it as a bad thing for those who do put Pac in their top 20. Top 10, hell naw, I got a problem with that.
    Who are your top 20 as I would struggle to not have Roy Jones in there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    Going by emotions, I pick Pac. But if I go by what was proven- How I think fans 50 years or more would judge- I think basic mathematics. What did they accomplish.

    RJJ turned pro in 1989
    Won IBF middleweight title in 1993, 4 years after turning pro.
    Won IBF super middleweight title in 1994 over Boxing's then ranked #1 P4P fighter James Toney.
    Lost WBC light heavyweight title shot, then won it in 1997.
    1998 he became the WBC & WBA light heavyweight champ.
    1999 he became the WBC, WBA & IBF light heavyweight champ.
    2000 he became the WBC ,WBA, IBF & IBO light heavyweight champ.


    After such a house cleaning in the LHW division he decided to even grab all major & minor belts in 2002 when he retained/gained WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO, WBF & IBA light heavyweight titles.
    In 2003 he wins the pinnacle of Boxing's titles: Heavyweight champ.
    It would take 14 years before he lost his 2nd fight.


    Feel free to place Pac's record as a champ and or accomplishments. It doesn't compare.
    In Pac's prime he was tested against JMM to a draw (I had him winning), got out-boxed by Morales in their 1st fight & busted/bloodied up to boot. Had been stopped twice before he hit age 30. 2 draws before age 30. ( I think they were unfair draws, but also think RJJ DQ was unfair) My resolve is shit happens.

    Whereas Roy had no competitors in his youth, and he took on the #1 P4P fighter to win the SMW (albeit Toney fucked up by binge eating in between fights)
    Neither ranks in my top 10.
    RJJ ranks in my Top 20, Pac does not, but I don't see it as a bad thing for those who do put Pac in their top 20. Top 10, hell naw, I got a problem with that.
    Who are your top 20 as I would struggle to not have Roy Jones in there?

    Let me search my history here before I put myself out there!!!
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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    I'll be with the minority and say Pac. And I love RJJ. Became a fan when he destroyed "Yo" Vinnie Pazienzia who had gotten a bit too big for his britches.

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    Ahhh yeah, Vinnie "Open Up A Can of Whoop-Ass" Pazienza.... he did make an ass out of himself, didnt he. Nice footwork, shouldve been a ballerina maybe.

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    Default Re: Manny Pacquiao vs. Roy Jones Jr, who ranks higher all-time?

    Anyone picking Roy sure don't value quality of opposition much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    Going by emotions, I pick Pac. But if I go by what was proven- How I think fans 50 years or more would judge- I think basic mathematics. What did they accomplish.

    RJJ turned pro in 1989
    Won IBF middleweight title in 1993, 4 years after turning pro.
    Won IBF super middleweight title in 1994 over Boxing's then ranked #1 P4P fighter James Toney.
    Lost WBC light heavyweight title shot, then won it in 1997.
    1998 he became the WBC & WBA light heavyweight champ.
    1999 he became the WBC, WBA & IBF light heavyweight champ.
    2000 he became the WBC ,WBA, IBF & IBO light heavyweight champ.


    After such a house cleaning in the LHW division he decided to even grab all major & minor belts in 2002 when he retained/gained WBA, WBC, IBF, IBO, WBF & IBA light heavyweight titles.
    In 2003 he wins the pinnacle of Boxing's titles: Heavyweight champ.
    It would take 14 years before he lost his 2nd fight.


    Feel free to place Pac's record as a champ and or accomplishments. It doesn't compare.
    In Pac's prime he was tested against JMM to a draw (I had him winning), got out-boxed by Morales in their 1st fight & busted/bloodied up to boot. Had been stopped twice before he hit age 30. 2 draws before age 30. ( I think they were unfair draws, but also think RJJ DQ was unfair) My resolve is shit happens.

    Whereas Roy had no competitors in his youth, and he took on the #1 P4P fighter to win the SMW (albeit Toney fucked up by binge eating in between fights)
    Neither ranks in my top 10.
    RJJ ranks in my Top 20, Pac does not, but I don't see it as a bad thing for those who do put Pac in their top 20. Top 10, hell naw, I got a problem with that.
    No disrespect but don't you think you looked at this with some serious bias? Now your opinion is your opinion, cool, I have no problem with Roy beating Pac in a P4P fantasy scenario, but when it comes to resume/accomplishments? No way.

    Pac losing wars with first ballot HOF-er's and P4P-ers - Morales and Marquez - is more impressive than 90% of the fighters Roy even faced. The very fact he ran it back to avenge losses/draws is even more of a fillip.

    If you're going to knock Pac for suffering an early defeat then what makes Roy's arguably 2nd or 3rd best ever win against Hopkins impressive? Hopkins had already lost too. And it was a decade later, after Hopkins beat Tito and Oscar, before Roy even got kudos for Hopkins.

    All Roy's silverware means nothing without context, you can equally do that with Pac, eight division champion and whatnot. The real factor is who they beat? After 25 years Pac is still pulling off upsets against the best fighters in his division, Roy was getting knocked unconscious by men who couldn't touch him in his pomp.

    And Roy never cleaned out 175, he needed to beat Michalczewski for that, the guy who was written out of history by American publications/TV networks.
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