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    27.06.06 - By Stuart Cornwell: They billed it, “Once And For All," and it was the heavyweight showdown the world had been waiting for, the most lucrative fight in history to date. Eighteen years ago to this day, Mike Tyson took on Michael Spinks in Atlantic City, New Jersey, in a bout that was to decide, once and for all, who was the true champion of the world. Both men were undefeated as professionals, both had for some time been compared to the greats of the past, and both had legitimate claims to the heavyweight championship of the world. At a time when boxing’s most recent box-office blockbusters had been showdowns at welterweight and middleweight (Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler and Sugar Ray Leonard), the Tyson-Spinks match promised to bring back the glamour and the glory (and millions upon millions of dollars) to the HEAVYWEIGHT division.

    There can be no denying that Mike Tyson was the draw. He had been a professional fighter for just over 3 years, and was not quite 22 years of age, yet he had captured the public’s imagination and attention, and impressed virtually every knowledgeable voice in the boxing community. By the way, he had exploded onto the heavyweight boxing scene, scoring knockouts with his venomous punches and blistering attack (often ending his contest in the opening round), knocking over seasoned professionals with frightening displays of speed and power. He entered the ring bare-chested like the gladiators of old, intent of doing damage and always going for the knockout from the first bell.

    When Tyson spoke, it was always about boxing. All he seemed to want to do was fight, train and watch old films of the legendary fighters, two of his particular favourites being Jack Dempsey and Roberto Duran. Dempsey and Duran, visceral, animalistic men in the ring, men whose pure savagery was diluted not one bit - but in fact enhanced - by the learned skills they possessed and brought with them into the heat of battle. Tyson was from the same mould. Writers often used the term ‘throwback’ when describing Tyson, a word that not only evoked memories of the hard-punching warrior heavyweights who dominated the sport before the arrival of Muhammad Ali (and a whole generation of second-rate copies) but also suggested the primeval, the prehistoric, the primitive fighting instincts of mankind. Tyson’s fighting style embodied the spirit of the caveman.

    Michael Spinks was the underdog. He had made his reputation fighting in the Light-heavyweight division, where he had dominated against such a high-quality field of opponents, that he was considered one of the all-time greats in the division. Spinks was a masterful boxer and a respectable puncher. Fighting in a unique and unorthodox style, circling his opponents somewhat awkwardly and punching from unexpected angles, he combined a tremendous instinct for strategy with effective defensive and offensive techniques. Spinks was pure quality. As an Olympic gold medalist (1976 middleweight), and world champion as a professional at both Light-Heavy and Heavyweight, he was certainly one of the greatest boxers of his time. He had scored a huge upset by defeating Larry Holmes over 15 rounds in September 1985 to take the Heavyweight championship in his first fight at heavyweight.

    By doing so, he also bettered the efforts of Billy Conn, Archie Moore and Bob Foster (among others) in becoming the first reigning Light-heavyweight champion to wrest the heavyweight crown. A repeat win over Holmes was controversial as many thought Holmes had done enough to win his old title back. This was in April 1986, and at the time promoter Don King (along with HBO television) was putting together a series of fights that would unify the various competing heavyweight “championships” (IBF, WBC, WBA). Spinks held the IBF title but his claim was stronger than just that. Most independent voices in the boxing community had considered Larry Holmes to be the true champion, in fact a lineage could be traced back through all the champions back to the 1950s. Therefore, Spinks held the championship that Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Liston had all held. The erstwhile “bible of boxing”, Ring magazine, listed Spinks as their heavyweight champion.

    By the time Tyson-Spinks was made it was Mike Tyson who had unified the WBC, WBA and IBF belts and was being introduced as “The Undisputed Champion of the World." Of course, Spinks’ supporters, Ring magazine and boxing traditionalists were disputing Tyson’s claim. On the other hand, many thought Tyson’s willingness to take on and beat the best men in the world far eclipsed Spinks’ right through lineage to be called champion. Among Tyson’s victories since collecting the three belts was a devastating knockout of Larry Holmes in four rounds. Holmes, who had not agreed with the judges’ decision to hand his title to Spinks in their first fight, let alone the rematch, expressed the opinion that it was now Tyson who was the real champ. The majority of armchair fans agreed with him; Tyson seemed to be fighting on TV all the time, and completely dominating everyone is his path, knocking men senseless, while Spinks looked to be in hibernation.

    Tyson’s magnetism has to be considered the primary reason for the fact that his fight with Spinks took on epic proportions, there is no way we can overlook the shrewd genius of Spinks’ manager, Butch Lewis. The fight took place on June 27, 1988 and grossed enough to guarantee Tyson a reported $22 million, with Spinks taking $13 million. There is no way a Tyson-Spinks showdown could have taken close to this amount if it had happened in summer of ‘87, as had been the preferred schedule according to the Don King/HBO unification series. Spinks had, as IBF champion, at one point been scheduled to face the winner of a fight between the WBC and WBA champions (who turned out to be Tyson and James “Bonecrusher” Smith).

    Butch Lewis, though, did not fancy putting Spinks in with Tyson (who he figured to win against Smith) for an estimate $3 or $4 million. Nor did he see any reason for Spinks to fight Tony Tucker, who was being pressed as a “mandatory” challenger by the IBF title. A Tony Tucker fight would have paid Spinks about $500,000. The way Lewis saw it, Spinks was fighting in the heavyweight division to make BIG money. He had long been trying to negotiate a big-money fight with the box-office attraction Gerry Cooney, a white giant extremely popular among American audiences. When the IBF stripped Spinks of his title (for refusing to fight Tony Tucker, according to them.), Butch Lewis made Spinks-Cooney and promoted it as for “The People’s Championship”, a 15 round fight arranged for Atlantic City and billed as “The War at the Shore."

    Running with the fact that Spinks held the linear championship, Lewis had a beautifully ornate championship belt made for Spinks, one that was far better than the cheap-looking belts awarded by the alphabet boys. The fight against Cooney was the only fight Spinks had in 1987 and it earned him far more than a fight with Tyson would have earned him that year. On top of that, the way Spinks performed against Cooney made his stock rise further, as he dispatched his giant foe within 5 rounds. While some said he was “running scared” of Tyson, he remained unbeaten and the talk of Tyson-Spinks grew louder the longer it did not happen. While Tyson stayed busy eliminating all significant opposition, the interest in a potential Tyson-Spinks match increased month by month. Butch Lewis knew that eventually he would get the deal he desired for his fighter.

    When fight time arrived there were not many people out there who thought Spinks was going to win. Tyson had looked so powerful and overwhelming in his previous fights that Spinks would have to produce something truly inspiring to pull off a win. Muhammad Ali was perhaps the most notable of those who favoured Spinks. My own view was that he had a great chance because he could probably stick and move and trick and spoil his way into the contest, show Tyson a few things he was not accustomed to, present a few puzzles. After all, Spinks was a great fighter. And an undefeated one at that. I am not saying I thought Spinks would beat Tyson, but I was prepared for that if it happened. I would not have been surprised or shocked by such an outcome. I at least expected Spinks to give Tyson a run for his money for a few rounds.

    The fight took place in Atlantic City. I was on the other side of the Atlantic, so I had to stay up until the early hours of the morning to catch the superfight live as it happened. I was only fourteen at the time and my mother wondered why I needed to get up in the middle of the night to watch a fight that was being repeated the following evening! Or why I could not use the VCR.

    What I remember most is an eeriness to the boxing that night. I remember sitting through a rather boring match between Carl Williams and Trevor Berbick, and a match featuring Harold Brazier, or all which seemed designed to give the impression that a storm was brewing. Stranger still was Buster Douglas against Mike Williams. The ripped-physique muscleman Williams was being felled by jabs from Douglas. He looked helpless and mystified by the situation. The TV commentators were a bit confused by it too. The eeriness increased as Michael Spinks entered the arena. He looked unprepared for battle during his walk to the ring. People say now how he look terrified - maybe he was - but at the time I thought he looked calm, too calm. It was my brother, who was watching it with me that night, who remarked on how dry Spinks looked. He was right. Spinks looked dry and cold. He also looked a bit soft (he scaled a career heaviest 212 at the weigh in, and that extra weight looked to be fat weight). All this was brought into sharp contrast by Tyson’s torso, glistening with sweat, more so then ever, honed and forged into fighting shape.

    Tyson did not look calm, he looked hungry, anxious, edgy. The scene had an unreal quality. Although I do not think I said it, and I might not have consciously thought it, there was this sense, a feeling, that this was Tyson’s night. A feeling that this was definitely not Spinks’ night. A lot has been written about how Spinks was terrified and folded through fear and intimidation. But when I watch the film of the fight, whether he was scared or not, I think it is fair to say he came to fight. He did not run, he did not hold, and he got up when Tyson knocked him down. He even tried to take Tyson out with a last desperate right hand. No one can criticize Spinks. He went out like a champion. While in hindsight we might say he was never going to defeat Tyson because he probably never really believed he could, we can also say he took on the toughest challenger out there and let the issue be settled in the ring.

    As for Tyson, no one can say his win over Spinks was not a meaningful win. Some people will try to downplay Spinks’ status by emphasizing how he was a guy that had built his reputation at Light-heavyweight. Others will say Spinks was paralysed by fear and had no game plan whatsoever. Whatever they say, they cannot change the fact that it was Mike Tyson the fighter, and the punches of Mike Tyson that ultimately vanquished Michael Spinks, his most highly-touted rival at the time, in 91 seconds of the first round. The fight was the last time we saw Michael Spinks in a boxing contest (he rode off into the sunset and into the boxing pantheon). And it was probably the last time we saw the truly vintage version of Mike Tyson, too.

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    Tyson was just vicious in this fight, I dare any heavyweight to step in with that!!! Absolutely awesome....


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    ...enough with all the warm fuzzy memories of "Prime Tyson" yeah he hit hard, yeah he was the youngest champ ever but Michael Spinks was a light heavyweight, that win did not (in my opinion) solidify him as the best heavyweight at the time....the win over Berbick did.

    Tyson still had his flaws even waaaaay back in his prime years.


    Any heavyweight...ok

    George Foreman that beat Frazier

    The Frazier that beat Ali

    The Riddick Bowe who whipped Holyfield

    The Holyfield who beat Bowe

    The Lennox Lewis who thrashed Rahman

    The Joe Louis who beat Max Baer

    The Jack Dempsey who beat Jess Willard

    There are a number of guys who would have beat Mike, bigger or smaller, it doesn't matter...there are only a HANDFUL of great Mike could contend with....don't call me a hater, Mike was fun to watch but it's the truth, people are so enamered by the KO's the forget to look at the actual style and skill...which yes he had great skill in his style but his style was EXTREMELY flawed as was he emotionally and mentally

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    That wasn't Tyson's prime. Tyson's prime ended with the right hand of Bruno just like Camacho's did with the shot of Rosario

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    ...There are a number of guys who would have beat Mike

    A fantasy of mine has always been a Tyson / Liston fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    ...enough with all the warm fuzzy memories of "Prime Tyson" yeah he hit hard, yeah he was the youngest champ ever but Michael Spinks was a light heavyweight, that win did not (in my opinion) solidify him as the best heavyweight at the time....the win over Berbick did.

    Tyson still had his flaws even waaaaay back in his prime years.


    Any heavyweight...ok

    George Foreman that beat Frazier

    The Frazier that beat Ali

    The Riddick Bowe who whipped Holyfield

    The Holyfield who beat Bowe

    The Lennox Lewis who thrashed Rahman

    The Joe Louis who beat Max Baer

    The Jack Dempsey who beat Jess Willard

    There are a number of guys who would have beat Mike, bigger or smaller, it doesn't matter...there are only a HANDFUL of great Mike could contend with....don't call me a hater, Mike was fun to watch but it's the truth, people are so enamered by the KO's the forget to look at the actual style and skill...which yes he had great skill in his style but his style was EXTREMELY flawed as was he emotionally and mentally
    I could give you most of those, and im not calling you a hater. But Dempsey PLEASE... Tyson came around 70 years later... and your saying Tyson was extremely flawed... Have you ever seen footage of Dempsey?? It would be ridiculous to see the beating he would get by almost anyone else you put on that list... Lewis, Foreman, BOwe, Tyson, Ali, would all absolutely butcher Jack Dempsey or Joe Louis. I know they are the great American heroes or whatever, but seriously they wouldn't have a chance in hell, fighters of their time just weren't comparable. I would bet you most of the fighters Tyson beat could have whipped Dempsey. Louis was much better and would be tougher for the modern greats to beat, but he still would be beaten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    ...enough with all the warm fuzzy memories of "Prime Tyson" yeah he hit hard, yeah he was the youngest champ ever but Michael Spinks was a light heavyweight, that win did not (in my opinion) solidify him as the best heavyweight at the time....the win over Berbick did.

    Tyson still had his flaws even waaaaay back in his prime years.


    Any heavyweight...ok

    George Foreman that beat Frazier

    The Frazier that beat Ali

    The Riddick Bowe who whipped Holyfield

    The Holyfield who beat Bowe

    The Lennox Lewis who thrashed Rahman

    The Joe Louis who beat Max Baer

    The Jack Dempsey who beat Jess Willard

    There are a number of guys who would have beat Mike, bigger or smaller, it doesn't matter...there are only a HANDFUL of great Mike could contend with....don't call me a hater, Mike was fun to watch but it's the truth, people are so enamered by the KO's the forget to look at the actual style and skill...which yes he had great skill in his style but his style was EXTREMELY flawed as was he emotionally and mentally
    I agree with ya on Foreman, Fraizer, Holyfield and maybe Lewis, probably not though. But Bowe, don't think ever wanted any part of him, and Louis and Dempsey just would have been murdered IMO. Dempsey for sure. But lets stop pussy footin round the subject Lyle, how would flawed Prime Mike do against Wlad and Vitali Klitschko?
    "You knocked him down...now how bout you try knockin me down ?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    ...enough with all the warm fuzzy memories of "Prime Tyson" yeah he hit hard, yeah he was the youngest champ ever but Michael Spinks was a light heavyweight, that win did not (in my opinion) solidify him as the best heavyweight at the time....the win over Berbick did.

    Tyson still had his flaws even waaaaay back in his prime years.


    Any heavyweight...ok

    George Foreman that beat Frazier

    The Frazier that beat Ali

    The Riddick Bowe who whipped Holyfield

    The Holyfield who beat Bowe

    The Lennox Lewis who thrashed Rahman

    The Joe Louis who beat Max Baer

    The Jack Dempsey who beat Jess Willard

    There are a number of guys who would have beat Mike, bigger or smaller, it doesn't matter...there are only a HANDFUL of great Mike could contend with....don't call me a hater, Mike was fun to watch but it's the truth, people are so enamered by the KO's the forget to look at the actual style and skill...which yes he had great skill in his style but his style was EXTREMELY flawed as was he emotionally and mentally
    IMO Tyson has a shot at beating any one of those guys....prime for prime Tyson is a great and should not be belittled because of Tyson revisionism which tends towards belittling what he was doing throughout the 80's because of a lacklustre 1990's....

    hindsight is a blessing and a curse....if tyson was to retire after the bruno fight he would renowned as an all time great for all time, now we have doubters who have seen the lewis fight and suggest that this is what we should judge tyson on....I dont buy it...

    PrimeTyson wasnt just a fun fighter to watch, he was a skilled, physical specimen who could put up a good fight against any of the greats IMO and more often than not be the victor....

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    ...enough with all the warm fuzzy memories of "Prime Tyson" yeah he hit hard, yeah he was the youngest champ ever but Michael Spinks was a light heavyweight, that win did not (in my opinion) solidify him as the best heavyweight at the time....the win over Berbick did.

    Tyson still had his flaws even waaaaay back in his prime years.


    Any heavyweight...ok

    George Foreman that beat Frazier

    The Frazier that beat Ali

    The Riddick Bowe who whipped Holyfield

    The Holyfield who beat Bowe

    The Lennox Lewis who thrashed Rahman

    The Joe Louis who beat Max Baer

    The Jack Dempsey who beat Jess Willard

    There are a number of guys who would have beat Mike, bigger or smaller, it doesn't matter...there are only a HANDFUL of great Mike could contend with....don't call me a hater, Mike was fun to watch but it's the truth, people are so enamered by the KO's the forget to look at the actual style and skill...which yes he had great skill in his style but his style was EXTREMELY flawed as was he emotionally and mentally
    IMO Tyson has a shot at beating any one of those guys....prime for prime Tyson is a great and should not be belittled because of Tyson revisionism which tends towards belittling what he was doing throughout the 80's because of a lacklustre 1990's....

    hindsight is a blessing and a curse....if tyson was to retire after the bruno fight he would renowned as an all time great for all time, now we have doubters who have seen the lewis fight and suggest that this is what we should judge tyson on....I dont buy it...

    PrimeTyson wasnt just a fun fighter to watch, he was a skilled, physical specimen who could put up a good fight against any of the greats IMO and more often than not be the victor....
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    Great article and great points you make Miles.CC.I agree totally,he was some kind of beast with everything,good D,power,raw strength,jab,great head movement etc etcIf anyone went the distance with Tyson@the beginning of his career,it was considered a failure for him and a success for them even if they got the crap beaten oput of them(Bonecrusher Smith comes to mind)and I have no qualms in saying that Mike,at his peak is a match for ANY hw that ever lived.Period.

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    Yea Lyle I think your a awsome poster for the most part,but you undieing love for Foreman,Dempsey etc.. and all the other old school fighters is a bit of tunnel vision on your part

    TYSON WAS A ONE OF A KIND A PURE EXPLOSIVE PACKAGE...His combonation of attributes did no exist back in the old days,there was no one remotely like him NOT EVEN CLOSE..There is more reason and substantial evidence to conclude Tyson would have beaten the old school fighters..

    I mean sure there were great Fighter planes and awsome pilots in WW2 but if you were to pit them against fighter jets they would get fried!!! its called evolution of things, when there is something good out there it has its time and after a while (years,decade,etc) something better replaces it...That is the case 99% of the time with a rare 1% being the exception..

    Lets say Tyson was around in the late 60's-70's,Tyson would have had a Cus D'mato his whole career to mold him guide him and mentor him(I can stop the convo right here) but what he had to offer ESPECIALLY in the that time frame would have been as rare and maybe borderline mythical as a Unicorn!!!!!

    Tyson would have destroyed Dempsey,Tunney, Foreman,Frazier,Norton,Ron Lyle,Marciano(not in the 70's) and I say he would have even beaten ALI

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrock
    Yea Lyle I think your a awsome poster for the most part,but you undieing love for Foreman,Dempsey etc.. and all the other old school fighters is a bit of tunnel vision on your part

    TYSON WAS A ONE OF A KIND A PURE EXPLOSIVE PACKAGE...His combonation of attributes did no exist back in the old days,there was no one remotely like him NOT EVEN CLOSE..There is more reason and substantial evidence to conclude Tyson would have beaten the old school fighters..

    I mean sure there were great Fighter planes and awsome pilots in WW2 but if you were to pit them against fighter jets they would get fried!!! its called evolution of things, when there is something good out there it has its time and after a while (years,decade,etc) something better replaces it...That is the case 99% of the time with a rare 1% being the exception..

    Lets say Tyson was around in the late 60's-70's,Tyson would have had a Cus D'mato his whole career to mold him guide him and mentor him(I can stop the convo right here) but what he had to offer ESPECIALLY in the that time frame would have been as rare and maybe borderline mythical as a Unicorn!!!!!

    Tyson would have destroyed Dempsey,Tunney, Foreman,Frazier,Norton,Ron Lyle,Marciano(not in the 70's) and I say he would have even beaten ALI
    WELL SAID THAT MAN!

    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    ...enough with all the warm fuzzy memories of "Prime Tyson" yeah he hit hard, yeah he was the youngest champ ever but Michael Spinks was a light heavyweight, that win did not (in my opinion) solidify him as the best heavyweight at the time....the win over Berbick did.

    Tyson still had his flaws even waaaaay back in his prime years.


    Any heavyweight...ok

    George Foreman that beat Frazier

    The Frazier that beat Ali

    The Riddick Bowe who whipped Holyfield

    The Holyfield who beat Bowe

    The Lennox Lewis who thrashed Rahman

    The Joe Louis who beat Max Baer

    The Jack Dempsey who beat Jess Willard

    There are a number of guys who would have beat Mike, bigger or smaller, it doesn't matter...there are only a HANDFUL of great Mike could contend with....don't call me a hater, Mike was fun to watch but it's the truth, people are so enamered by the KO's the forget to look at the actual style and skill...which yes he had great skill in his style but his style was EXTREMELY flawed as was he emotionally and mentally
    IMO Tyson has a shot at beating any one of those guys....prime for prime Tyson is a great and should not be belittled because of Tyson revisionism which tends towards belittling what he was doing throughout the 80's because of a lacklustre 1990's....

    hindsight is a blessing and a curse....if tyson was to retire after the bruno fight he would renowned as an all time great for all time, now we have doubters who have seen the lewis fight and suggest that this is what we should judge tyson on....I dont buy it...

    PrimeTyson wasnt just a fun fighter to watch, he was a skilled, physical specimen who could put up a good fight against any of the greats IMO and more often than not be the victor....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cockey cockney
    Quote Originally Posted by jtrock
    Yea Lyle I think your a awsome poster for the most part,but you undieing love for Foreman,Dempsey etc.. and all the other old school fighters is a bit of tunnel vision on your part

    TYSON WAS A ONE OF A KIND A PURE EXPLOSIVE PACKAGE...His combonation of attributes did no exist back in the old days,there was no one remotely like him NOT EVEN CLOSE..There is more reason and substantial evidence to conclude Tyson would have beaten the old school fighters..

    I mean sure there were great Fighter planes and awsome pilots in WW2 but if you were to pit them against fighter jets they would get fried!!! its called evolution of things, when there is something good out there it has its time and after a while (years,decade,etc) something better replaces it...That is the case 99% of the time with a rare 1% being the exception..

    Lets say Tyson was around in the late 60's-70's,Tyson would have had a Cus D'mato his whole career to mold him guide him and mentor him(I can stop the convo right here) but what he had to offer ESPECIALLY in the that time frame would have been as rare and maybe borderline mythical as a Unicorn!!!!!

    Tyson would have destroyed Dempsey,Tunney, Foreman,Frazier,Norton,Ron Lyle,Marciano(not in the 70's) and I say he would have even beaten ALI
    WELL SAID THAT MAN!

    Quote Originally Posted by miles
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle
    ...enough with all the warm fuzzy memories of "Prime Tyson" yeah he hit hard, yeah he was the youngest champ ever but Michael Spinks was a light heavyweight, that win did not (in my opinion) solidify him as the best heavyweight at the time....the win over Berbick did.

    Tyson still had his flaws even waaaaay back in his prime years.


    Any heavyweight...ok

    George Foreman that beat Frazier

    The Frazier that beat Ali

    The Riddick Bowe who whipped Holyfield

    The Holyfield who beat Bowe

    The Lennox Lewis who thrashed Rahman

    The Joe Louis who beat Max Baer

    The Jack Dempsey who beat Jess Willard

    There are a number of guys who would have beat Mike, bigger or smaller, it doesn't matter...there are only a HANDFUL of great Mike could contend with....don't call me a hater, Mike was fun to watch but it's the truth, people are so enamered by the KO's the forget to look at the actual style and skill...which yes he had great skill in his style but his style was EXTREMELY flawed as was he emotionally and mentally
    IMO Tyson has a shot at beating any one of those guys....prime for prime Tyson is a great and should not be belittled because of Tyson revisionism which tends towards belittling what he was doing throughout the 80's because of a lacklustre 1990's....

    hindsight is a blessing and a curse....if tyson was to retire after the bruno fight he would renowned as an all time great for all time, now we have doubters who have seen the lewis fight and suggest that this is what we should judge tyson on....I dont buy it...

    PrimeTyson wasnt just a fun fighter to watch, he was a skilled, physical specimen who could put up a good fight against any of the greats IMO and more often than not be the victor....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrock
    Yea Lyle I think your a awsome poster for the most part,but you undieing love for Foreman,Dempsey etc.. and all the other old school fighters is a bit of tunnel vision on your part

    TYSON WAS A ONE OF A KIND A PURE EXPLOSIVE PACKAGE...His combonation of attributes did no exist back in the old days,there was no one remotely like him NOT EVEN CLOSE..There is more reason and substantial evidence to conclude Tyson would have beaten the old school fighters..

    I mean sure there were great Fighter planes and awsome pilots in WW2 but if you were to pit them against fighter jets they would get fried!!! its called evolution of things, when there is something good out there it has its time and after a while (years,decade,etc) something better replaces it...That is the case 99% of the time with a rare 1% being the exception..

    Lets say Tyson was around in the late 60's-70's,Tyson would have had a Cus D'mato his whole career to mold him guide him and mentor him(I can stop the convo right here) but what he had to offer ESPECIALLY in the that time frame would have been as rare and maybe borderline mythical as a Unicorn!!!!!

    Tyson would have destroyed Dempsey,Tunney, Foreman,Frazier,Norton,Ron Lyle,Marciano(not in the 70's) and I say he would have even beaten ALI
    Maaan,you and I may not see eye to eye on a lot of things but you nailed it right there brother.Have a cool click on me!!!Great post.

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    CC's Cockey and Game.....thanks for ze Tysonist support

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    Default Re: Tyson-Spinks: Memories of Tyson's prime

    OK so you doubt me and my choices?

    First off I will say Mike Tyson is not the best heavyweight ever, Prime Mike Tyson is not the best heavyweight ever either. Tyson is not infallable, a JAB?!?! hahahahaha Tyson had no jab he had a little flcik of a left hand but it was just a distraction for his hooks and uppercuts and overhand rights.

    To beat Mike Tyson here is what you need
    1. A chin
    2. heart
    3. good work rate
    4. power (right upper cut/ 1-2)
    5. it also helps to have a good jab and appropriate defense

    Based on those factors here are my explinations

    Wlad wouldn't last a round with Prime Tyson and if he did last A round he wouldn't last 2-3 more.

    Vitali could concievably take Tyson's best shots as he has NEVER been knocked down amateur or pro (the Maskaev KO was a ref stoppage in the amateurs, don't bring up Pele Reid, that was kickboxing and a kick to the leg) no one can 100% say Tyson would beat Vitali ...now hang on. Even in his prime if you get Tyson past 5 rounds you have a better and better shot at beating him as the fight goes on and with Vitali's power I think he frustrates even a prime Tyson either losing a UD or maybe Vitali stops him or wins a UD himself.

    As for Joe Louis...he was a GREAT boxer, as Tyson was a brawler. Yeah his competition wasn't great but he (especially after the Schmelling fight) was always ready to fight. As a good boxer he could stick Tyson and move out of the way, he had a great right hand and never threw punches to where he would end up out of position (which is where Tyson KO'd most of the scared guys he got in the ring with)

    Dempsey or Marciano, yeah maybe it's a stretch but those guys had heart and they fought 15 round fights! They had the will, the stamina, and carried the power to beat Tyson. Those are guys no matter how hard Mike tried he wouldn't be able to get them out in the first 3 rounds.

    George Foreman in my honest opinion would beat the ugly off of Mike Tyson! In Foreman you have a guy who is the strongest puncher ever, who instead of clobbering a light heavyweight to win the title he beat Joe Frazier in 2 rounds!!! Frazier had previously never been floored, and never lost much less been KO'd. And Menacing WOW...6'3 220 more than enough size to handle Tyson's bully tactics...Mike would wet his pants and hide in his corner.

    Joe Frazier...he had a left hook, heart, determination, and the up and down head movement needed to be missed by Tyson's hooks. Plus an added benefit EDDIE FUTCH who was a lot better at giving advice than Kevin Rooney.

    Riddick Bowe not beat Tyson?!?!? Are you fucking kidding me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI83P...bowe-holyfield there is my case for Bowe AND Holyfield beating Tyson. Bowe would make Tyson look horrible he was a good boxer with great power and he had every punch in the arsenal

    Lennox Lewis was like Bowe but he didn't brawl or mix it up as much so yeah he was boring but he was more in control of the pace of the fight and he also had power.

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