Thread: Ali would DEFINATLY have beaten a prime tyson ....why i know now??

I was watching on YOUTUBE a 40 yr old Larry holmes for the 1st 2 rounds look good against mike early(when Mr.Tyson is supposed to be his best)

Anyway Larry was very awkward for tyson and was quite good at throwing those 1-2s and sidestepping ...if a 40 yr old holmes (who was a poor mans Ali to begin with)
can look good against tyson for a few minutes i KNOW Ali at ALMOST any age woulda one-two-step'ed his way to victory


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlfs2...larry%20holmes <--clip i was watchin

...Hell just watch Ali-Patterson, same style, same hand speed...granted Floyd didn't have Mike's power but Ali dominated that style

I doubt many educated boxing fans would argue against Ali beating a prime Tyson.

He beat the two baddest men on the planet in the 60's and 70's namely Liston and Foreman, both of whom were considered unbeatable.

Tyson's biggest weapon in the 80's was the aura of invincibility and menace that he carried, which had 85% of his opponents beat before they even climbed inside the ropes.

If there is one man who you could guarantee would not be afraid it would Ali. Furthermore, if there was ever a heavyweight boxer who knew the power of psychology and could unnerve and intimidate an opponent into losing their own confidence it was once again Ali.

Ali would have given Tyson a derogatory nickname, ' probably ugly bear's little brother or something, he would taunt and ridicule Tyson during the build up to the fight, and no doubt mouth off and mock him throughout the whole fight itself, causing Tyson to breakdown mentally and then collapse physically.

It would have been a great matchup, Tyson probably being punched out around the 10th or 11th round, kind of like the way Buster Douglas did it.

Originally Posted by Lyle

...Hell just watch Ali-Patterson, same style, same hand speed...granted Floyd didn't have Mike's power but Ali dominated that style

Little but unfair on old Iron Mike. Although both used peek-a-boo, Tyson was lot lower to the ground than Floyd, and rarely jumped into his punches like Patterson.

And on top of this Ali would have to respect that Tyson left hook, possibly in his prime, even better than his right. It was better than Frazier's, Cooper's and Banks'...

Bu that said Ali still wins IMO.

I think Ali would have a 65% chance of winning and Tyson a 35% chance. Ali wins a UD. Tyson wins by KO.

They are fighting a 12 round bout to level the playing field.


I think Tyson would shit on Frazier, Liston, and Patterson. Liston being the harder of the three for him to beat. Young Tyson was a characterization of those three. If you rolled them into one fighter and tied a cape around his neck you'd get Prime Tyson

Originally Posted by bilbo

Ali would have given Tyson a derogatory nickname, ' probably ugly bear's little brother or something, he would taunt and ridicule Tyson during the build up to the fight, and no doubt mouth off and mock him throughout the whole fight itself, causing Tyson to breakdown mentally and then collapse physically.

Then Ali would have gotten his ear bitten off sometime in the middle rounds.

Yeah I guess while O'l Larry was doing the 2 step by round 4 he was doing the Judah shuffle....To me the beauty of the 4th round was that sizzling jab, straight right that put Larry down the 1st time..That was the great Mike, had it all working back then headmovement was spectacular and working off the Jab with helacious combos.....then he turned into a one punch headhunter

Thats a lesson that Jeff Lacy hopefully learned from the JC fight headmovement Jab and Box Oh!! and defend yourself Too

Any announcement on Jeff's opponent in October..Still talking bout Tarver??

if joe frazier's left hook could really hurt Ali and knock him down, don't you think Mike would give him the fight of his life?.....Remember, it's not just Tyson's left hook but also his right that's a very dangerous weapon too. People forget how good Tyson was in those days.
No way in hell Ali would be able to use the ropeadope on Tyson.

tyson would have given ali problems at the very least and probably would have stopped him............the frazier fights are more analogous and relevantt han foreman and liston....george and sonny were straight ahead bombers with little head and upper body movement.........frazier was very herky jerky and moved his head and uppr body well and was able to get inside on ali and hurt him...........tyson was even quicker and more athletic than frazier and a harder puncher--and also was much better at working the body than joe...he would have broke ali down early and starched him late............

as far as 40 yr old holmes ( he was 38 or 39 by the way, actually) giving mike trouble---what fight were you watching? mike was just biding his time looking for an pen spot to nail larry---and he did....he beat holmes's ass and larry, even later on into his 40's never got licked so bad or even close....that fight was a fuckin massacre and if larry was 5 or 6 yrs younger it would have been the same outcome---------ktfo

Originally Posted by bilbo

I doubt many educated boxing fans would argue against Ali beating a prime Tyson.

He beat the two baddest men on the planet in the 60's and 70's namely Liston and Foreman, both of whom were considered unbeatable.

Tyson's biggest weapon in the 80's was the aura of invincibility and menace that he carried, which had 85% of his opponents beat before they even climbed inside the ropes.

If there is one man who you could guarantee would not be afraid it would Ali. Furthermore, if there was ever a heavyweight boxer who knew the power of psychology and could unnerve and intimidate an opponent into losing their own confidence it was once again Ali.

Ali would have given Tyson a derogatory nickname, ' probably ugly bear's little brother or something, he would taunt and ridicule Tyson during the build up to the fight, and no doubt mouth off and mock him throughout the whole fight itself, causing Tyson to breakdown mentally and then collapse physically.

It would have been a great matchup, Tyson probably being punched out around the 10th or 11th round, kind of like the way Buster Douglas did it.

I agree about your thoughts on how Ali would psychologically beat TYSON very true..

Tyson was a better fighter then Foreman, Liston, Patterson, Frazier and Norton. A young Tyson had all the tools to beat any heavyweight in history. His handspeed and power in both hands was frightening along with a great defence which is very overated. I think Mike could beat Ali.

I always had a prime Tyson beating a prime Ali simply cause a prime Ali relied on physical ability like Roy Jones Jr. I have a experience Ali beating and a prime Tyson cause he would of relied on wits instead of reflex unlike Roy Jones Ali had a back up plan once his reflex slowed.

So a prime Ali would of relied on pulling back from Tyson punches and Tyson would of caught up to Ali in the later rounds (or maybe in the beginning). An Ali with some experience would of done better cause he would of used his mind.

And we all know their is no such thing as an experience Tyson cause a prime Tyson died in his prime.

For the record when Ali fought Patterson, Patterson was being trained by Cus and I believe that makes a huge difference.

Originally Posted by kyle0930

Originally Posted by bilbo

I doubt many educated boxing fans would argue against Ali beating a prime Tyson.

He beat the two baddest men on the planet in the 60's and 70's namely Liston and Foreman, both of whom were considered unbeatable.

Tyson's biggest weapon in the 80's was the aura of invincibility and menace that he carried, which had 85% of his opponents beat before they even climbed inside the ropes.

If there is one man who you could guarantee would not be afraid it would Ali. Furthermore, if there was ever a heavyweight boxer who knew the power of psychology and could unnerve and intimidate an opponent into losing their own confidence it was once again Ali.

Ali would have given Tyson a derogatory nickname, ' probably ugly bear's little brother or something, he would taunt and ridicule Tyson during the build up to the fight, and no doubt mouth off and mock him throughout the whole fight itself, causing Tyson to breakdown mentally and then collapse physically.

It would have been a great matchup, Tyson probably being punched out around the 10th or 11th round, kind of like the way Buster Douglas did it.

I agree about your thoughts on how Ali would psychologically beat TYSON very true..

i don't agree at all, the shit talk would actually spur him on...
Larry Holmes did his trash talk and got Ktfo, and Tyson despised Tyrell Biggs too......and let me tell you the Tyson that fought Tyrell Biggs was the best Mike Tyson that ever fought. He was one of the most complete fighters for a heavyweight i have ever seen.
There is no evidence that Mike would break down or "collapse physically"......it would do the complete opposite.

i agree that the whole 'psychological' idea is a load of b*ll*cks! Before the Spinks fight, Spinks' team had the referee make team tyson unwrap and re-wrap his handwraps for a minor lump had been found. The spinks team hoped this would unnerve Tyson. It did however backfire, as was seen in the 1st round blitzing of spinks, when rather than breakdown, tyson got very angry. Ali taunting tyson wud only make Tyson hungrier and more intent on causing damage, not knock away his cofidence.