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Winky Wright vCharley Burley your views

Originally Posted by Scrap

Winky Wright vCharley Burley your views

ive heard of charley but havent been able to find any footage has anyone seen him other than scrap ??

Wow! thats a tough one.

All I know is Burley is said to be one of the most ducked fighters of all time. He beat alot of the great fighter of the day, but never got a shot.
I heard it said the Sugar Ray Robinson only avoided two fighters in his career. Tony Zale and Charley Burley.

I dont know much about Burley, but would enjoy anything you have on him.

Originally Posted by right_cross

Wow! thats a tough one.

All I know is Burley is said to be one of the most ducked fighters of all time. He beat alot of the great fighter of the day, but never got a shot.
I heard it said the Sugar Ray Robinson only avoided two fighters in his career. Tony Zale and Charley Burley.

I dont know much about Burley, but would enjoy anything you have on him.

i did hear that burley was gym sweeper and robinson asked to fight him and burley beat robinson twice

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by right_cross

Wow! thats a tough one.

All I know is Burley is said to be one of the most ducked fighters of all time. He beat alot of the great fighter of the day, but never got a shot.
I heard it said the Sugar Ray Robinson only avoided two fighters in his career. Tony Zale and Charley Burley.

I dont know much about Burley, but would enjoy anything you have on him.

i did hear that burley was gym sweeper and robinson asked to fight him and burley beat robinson twice

Oh man! Classic stuff. I hope Scrap breaks loose with a lowdown on Burley.

I just wanted your take on the matchup. I remember I think the late 80s I first saw Winky in Manchester and was impressed, though the opposition wasnt to hot you could see he was a good fighter with a good eye and a good sense of distance. Hewas the WBO champ at the time but seemed to be fighting outside the USA. He lost it in Joberg I think at altitude to another good fighter whose name slips me, the one who wasnt a very good driver of cars it was close.Hes evolved into a very good fighter, eventually getting the breaks which Charley never did

Charley was a cutie who could whack who when fit never weighed more than 10 /10 Im told by the people that new him, theres a book out I beleive which Im going to read when I find the time which Ive been promised for Christmas. But being around some of the old trainers from the States in the 80s wed sit down for a drink after the gym and some of the tales about Charley were, lets say impressive and to a man they said he was special. His exploits were what legands are made of.

Just taking a quick look at Burleys record at Boxrec is pretty impressive. He beat Fritzie Zivic 2 out of 3 times. He also whipped a young Archie Moore, putting him on the deck 4 times.

The only fighter who seemed to have Burleys number was a young middleweight named Ezzard Charles, who beat him twice. No shame in that. The thought of Ezzard Charles fighting at middle is a scary thought.

I wish I could give a take on this fight, but I never saw Burley in action. But being that I am partial to old school fighters, I'd say the Burley that speed bagged Archie Moore would mop the floor with Winky.

and i dont think burley ever got stopped

For more on Burley read my book (now in paperback)

'Charley Burley and the Black Murderers' Row'
(Published by Tora Books 15th November 2006, ISBN 095439241

charleyburley.com

For the uninitiated, some information.

THE CYBER BOXING ZONE:
"This book is a classic of its kind and no good boxing library
should be without a copy."

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/w0804-otty.html

Book Description

Charley Burley and the Black Murderers' Row was written with the co-operation of Charley's family and friends. It is a revised and expanded version of the individually numbered, limited edition hardback run of 300 copies that was released in 2002. It contains twenty pages of photographs, many of which are from the private collection of the Burley family. Some of which are unique to this edition.

Charley Burley and the Black Murderers' Row follows a trail from the 1936 Barcelona ‘Friendly’ Olympics in war-torn Spain to top ten contender status for world title honours during the 1940s. From the disappointment of being avoided by Henry Armstrong, Fritzie Zivic, Tony Zale, Jake LaMotta, Rocky Graziano, Billy Conn and Sugar Ray Robinson to hauling garbage for the city of Pittsburgh for over thirty years.

Charley Burley was forced to fight out of his weight class with monotonous regularity (by today's standards he would be a light-middleweight), yet he knocked out fighters from welterweight to heavyweight. Burley beat three world champions in three different weight categories, but was denied a chance to fight for any title.

* Elected to the Ring Magazine Hall-of-Fame in 1983
* Inducted to the World Boxing Hall-of-Fame in 1987
* International Boxing Hall-of-Fame inductee in 1992

Charley Burley and the Black Murderers' Row contains many rare and unseen photographs that trace the career of this often overlooked fighter from his amateur days to his retirement and beyond.

The revised edition has an expanded record for Burley that includes a
'Tale-of-the-Tape', venues and weights for Burley and his opponents.

From the Publisher

Since the release of the initial run of 300 hardback copies of the Charley Burley story the author has expanded his research and, in addition to more fight reports, has included more information on Burley's managerial problems, his career in California and his personal life. There is also much more detail on the careers of the infamous 'Black Murderers' Row'.

From the Author

I was fortunate enough to meet Charley Burley shortly before his death in 1992. Due to the dearth of information available of this great fighter I decided to compile as many facts, figures and personal stories about him as I could. The idea was to create a scrapbook that his family could enjoy.

As the press clippings, photographs and personal stories grew I decided to write this book. While the information on his boxing career is very detailed, what I wanted was to present a more rounded picture of this (extra)ordinary man.

Thanks to the generosity (and hospitality) of his family and friends, I think that I have achieved this.

From the Back Cover

"You know, people ask me who was the greatest fighter I ever met and I tell them Rocky Marciano, because that's what they want to hear. Hell, Marciano beat me when I was 42 and I gave him a great battle. Eddie Booker and Charley Burley were the best. They beat me in my prime. Booker broke my ribs and Burley gave me a boxing lesson."
Archie Moore (World light-heavyweight champion 1952-1962)

"Too good for his own good" a statement that was made by many boxing managers and promoters of the 1940s when referring to Pittsburgh's Charley Burley. Arguably the greatest boxer never to win a world title, Burley was the most feared fighter of his generation and the most avoided fighter in the history of boxing. Writer Budd Schulberg ('On the Waterfront') christened them "The Black Murderers' Row". Charley Burley, Eddie Booker, Jack Chase, Bert Lytell, Lloyd Marshall and Aaron 'Tiger' Wade terrorised boxings middleweight division in the 1940s and were avoided to such an extent that they had to fight amongst themselves simply to remain active and earn a living.

"Charley Burley is a legend in boxing, but the public doesn't know him because he never got the credit."
Eddie Futch

charleyburley.com

Welcome to the forum, and great plug!

Were you lurking here all this time just waiting for someone to mention Burley me wonders?

To be honest I have posted that same plug (a few weeks back) on a couple of sites that I frequent a little more often than this one (though I do read a good deal of the stuff that is posted).

I have just set aside some time to push it a little more since it was released a couple of weeks back and was lucky enough to stumble upon this recent post. I hope people don't take exception to the promotion, but I feel Burley is one of those fighters that more boxing fans should be aware of.

I have been a fan for many years - and was lucky enough to meet him and speak with him several times - and this book is a reissue of a limited edition run (in hardback), I did a few years back. If you want to know more about Charley Burley the man and the fighter, then this is the book for you.

Now I'm off to skulk around somewhere else

Thanks for that Boxscribe Ive been trying to get a copy for ages, being freindly With Eddie and Ray and the old timers, plus having seen the vidio of his fight Im a fan. How can I get in touch Have you E/Mail or could you please P M me I thank you

Scrap,

I sent an email to your AOL address. you can also contact me at: torabooks@blueyonder.co.uk

Cheers Regards