Thread: Teddy Atlas:"Timing beats speed"(in relation to Oscar Floyd)

He was giving his thoughts on PBF Oscar and he said that if Oscar fought from the outside,stayed tall,he could win.He said Oscar should stay on the outside and use his timing.Can any of you guys elaborate? Wouldn't it be better for Oscar to get Floyd on the inside,use his size advantage and rough him up?

He is pretty much saying that DLH has to hit right when there is an opening.I think that DLH has to throw double jabs and counterpunch...an even then I still have Floyd winning UD.IMO...hooks won't work because Floyd rolls his shoulder and blocks right hooks with his glove.Body shots won't work b/c DLH will leave his head open a lot and mayweather holds his left arm by his mid-section.Unless DLH would be content with his hard shots landing on Floyds shoulders and forearms...I think that he has to counterpunch and work off of the double jab.

He might not have to stay on the outside as much as he just has to give Floyd different looks and not let Floyd get in any sort of rythym. However, I don't think the inside is the key to win the fight for Oscar because, well Floyd is the faster guy with the shorter punches and he can get out of there just as fast as the other guy came in. It will turn into a bull chasing a matador if he tries to keep the fight on the inside.

I think Oscar should stay on the outside for the most part and move side to side a lot and mix in his straight punches. And that's where I think the timing comes in because Floyd has to time the straight right behind the jab/left hook in order to win imo. Floyd more often then not makes the first punch miss but even if DLH misses with the lead, he has to follow it up. I think the straight right has the best chance of landing because it's a lot harder to slip a straight punch when it comes after something. And if opponents have been able to hit Floyd with anything, it's been the straight punches in the middle of a flurry. But you have to be able to time that right and I think that's what Atlas meant more then anything when he talked about timing.

He could have been talking about timing Floyd as he moves inside but Floyd is so good in transition I wouldn't think De La Hoya would have any sort of consistent success doing that.

Intriguing fight. Can't wait.

I personally have never seen floyd get hit with a straight right.If DLH stays on the outside, I think he is gonna get constantly beat to the punch.Remember, Floyd likes to take a studder step back and lead with a straight right.I just think that Floyd will be to quick for him whether it be moving,parrying, or countering.

Originally Posted by Olympian904

I personally have never seen floyd get hit with a straight right.If DLH stays on the outside, I think he is gonna get constantly beat to the punch.Remember, Floyd likes to take a studder step back and lead with a straight right.I just think that Floyd will be to quick for him whether it be moving,parrying, or countering.

Judah caught him a couple times with the straight left on the ropes. I think Floyd wins a lopsided UD and in all likelyhood Oscar doesn't land many punches but I'm just saying how I think DLH has to go about the fight.

As long as Oscar is busy then he has a shot...if he's weight drained and slow then he has no shot....I think once or twice they will get in a good exchange and if ODH connects then it spells trouble for Floyd!


That being said if Floyd fights smart (which is always his style as much as it may displease the fans) his defense is tight enough to keep almost anyone at bay.....I do think if Oscar gets the anger in him that he had when he brutalized Chavez then Floyd will be in danger defense or no

Yeah Oscar has to be busy. At first i was thinking he woulod have to swarm floyd but a) he's too old for that and b) he has a classy fighter, theres other ways that he can cope.

My idea of an Oscar victory would mainly be based ring generalship.
When his in, his in with 3 and 4's.... When his out, he's way out with Floyd looking for him.

Basically he has to dictate the pace and impress the judges with flurries.

I think if he does sort of what Hatton said he'll be well off. Ricky said to just touch Floyd when he first covers up and then after 2-3 light punches, unleash a couple hard shots....sounds good because Floyd always waits to throw counters.

I also think Oscar needs the left hook when Floyd throws his lead right cross...maybe throw it to the body even

Roach has said that DLH needs to build up his stamina a little more...so I don't think that he will be able to set the pace of the fight due to the fact that Floyd's stamina is unmatched.I agree that he may have to throw a lot of punches...BUT if he is not careful and just throws flurries...Floyd will roll,slip,and parry all night making himself look better in the judges eyes and frustrating DLH.DLH is a veteran though so who knows.

Originally Posted by Lyle

I think if he does sort of what Hatton said he'll be well off. Ricky said to just touch Floyd when he first covers up and then after 2-3 light punches, unleash a couple hard shots....sounds good because Floyd always waits to throw counters.

I also think Oscar needs the left hook when Floyd throws his lead right cross...maybe throw it to the body even

If he can, then thats all well and good. It would be interesting to see how Oscars stamina looks over the 12.

I have serious doubts about Oscars Left hook though. I haven't seen Floyd hit with one more than three times in any fight ive seen him in.

Originally Posted by amat

He might not have to stay on the outside as much as he just has to give Floyd different looks and not let Floyd get in any sort of rythym. However, I don't think the inside is the key to win the fight for Oscar because, well Floyd is the faster guy with the shorter punches and he can get out of there just as fast as the other guy came in. It will turn into a bull chasing a matador if he tries to keep the fight on the inside.

I think Oscar should stay on the outside for the most part and move side to side a lot and mix in his straight punches. And that's where I think the timing comes in because Floyd has to time the straight right behind the jab/left hook in order to win imo. Floyd more often then not makes the first punch miss but even if DLH misses with the lead, he has to follow it up. I think the straight right has the best chance of landing because it's a lot harder to slip a straight punch when it comes after something. And if opponents have been able to hit Floyd with anything, it's been the straight punches in the middle of a flurry. But you have to be able to time that right and I think that's what Atlas meant more then anything when he talked about timing.

He could have been talking about timing Floyd as he moves inside but Floyd is so good in transition I wouldn't think De La Hoya would have any sort of consistent success doing that.

Intriguing fight. Can't wait.

Very nice analysis bro.CC.

That's the number 1 problem,Oscar has never been a great fighter as a pressure fighter. The first Mosley fight is a perfect example of that. He hasnt used a great double or triple jab for ages. His best weapon is the left hook,and Floyd,the astute student of the game that he is knows this and will nullify it. Oscar's right isn't particularly good imo. There's just too many things Oscar has to do,and at his age,with his inactivity,I just don't see it.

Oscar struggled to time Mosley for 24 rounds, I wonder how he's gonna time Floyd.

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by amat

He might not have to stay on the outside as much as he just has to give Floyd different looks and not let Floyd get in any sort of rythym. However, I don't think the inside is the key to win the fight for Oscar because, well Floyd is the faster guy with the shorter punches and he can get out of there just as fast as the other guy came in. It will turn into a bull chasing a matador if he tries to keep the fight on the inside.

I think Oscar should stay on the outside for the most part and move side to side a lot and mix in his straight punches. And that's where I think the timing comes in because Floyd has to time the straight right behind the jab/left hook in order to win imo. Floyd more often then not makes the first punch miss but even if DLH misses with the lead, he has to follow it up. I think the straight right has the best chance of landing because it's a lot harder to slip a straight punch when it comes after something. And if opponents have been able to hit Floyd with anything, it's been the straight punches in the middle of a flurry. But you have to be able to time that right and I think that's what Atlas meant more then anything when he talked about timing.

He could have been talking about timing Floyd as he moves inside but Floyd is so good in transition I wouldn't think De La Hoya would have any sort of consistent success doing that.

Intriguing fight. Can't wait.

Very nice analysis bro.CC.

Yeah i missed that post, CC indeed.

CC to the both of you in 24. I can't wait for this fight.