Thread: Hatton v Tszyu: Not as impressive as it sounds.

I think too many Hatton fans act as tho Ricky's win over KT was one of the all time great wins, but take a look into it further and it looks a whole lot less impressive.
Ricky was fighting a 36 year old Kostya who was probably in his prime aroun 1999.
Kostya fought Ricky in his own backyard.
Kostya fought against Ricky with a british ref who undoubtedly officiated in favor of hatton.
Kostya had fought 3 times in 4 years before that.

Now ask these questions.
Would Ricky have beaten 1999 in Sydney with an all aussie crowd with an aussie ref who bent the rules in kostyas favor?

The answer is no.

Now Rickys next big fight is against another aging warrior in Castillo.
This will be a more impressive win if he does it, yet still he has not fought a top champion in their prime...
Will Ricky's fans claim a victory against Castillo as another all time great win? Its not.

Last question, when Ricky is 36, had maybe a dozen defenses of his title, has not fought regularly, and is way past his prime, will he go to Australia, with an Australian ref and fight an up and coming aussie champ in their prime.
Not in a million years.

Originally Posted by eagle

I think too many Hatton fans act as tho Ricky's win over KT was one of the all time great wins, but take a look into it further and it looks a whole lot less impressive.
Ricky was fighting a 36 year old Kostya who was probably in his prime aroun 1999.
Kostya fought Ricky in his own backyard.
Kostya fought against Ricky with a british ref who undoubtedly officiated in favor of hatton.
Kostya had fought 3 times in 4 years before that.

Now ask these questions.
Would Ricky have beaten 1999 in Sydney with an all aussie crowd with an aussie ref who bent the rules in kostyas favor?

The answer is no.

Now Rickys next big fight is against another aging warrior in Castillo.
This will be a more impressive win if he does it, yet still he has not fought a top champion in their prime...
Will Ricky's fans claim a victory against Castillo as another all time great win? Its not.

Last question, when Ricky is 36, had maybe a dozen defenses of his title, has not fought regularly, and is way past his prime, will he go to Australia, with an Australian ref and fight an up and coming aussie champ in their prime.
Not in a million years.

Oh come on no one on this forum were giving Hatton a chance before the fight now people are trying to take Hattons victory away its amazing how people change and yes the Ricky that night would of beat any version of Kostya even though Kostya is great and now you are trying to say he was 8 years past his best ??

sound like another hatton hater to me bud. i wont dignify this post with a response.

Originally Posted by eagle

I think too many Hatton fans act as tho Ricky's win over KT was one of the all time great wins, but take a look into it further and it looks a whole lot less impressive.
Ricky was fighting a 36 year old Kostya who was probably in his prime aroun 1999.
Kostya fought Ricky in his own backyard.
Kostya fought against Ricky with a british ref who undoubtedly officiated in favor of hatton.
Kostya had fought 3 times in 4 years before that.

Now ask these questions.
Would Ricky have beaten 1999 in Sydney with an all aussie crowd with an aussie ref who bent the rules in kostyas favor?

The answer is no.

Now Rickys next big fight is against another aging warrior in Castillo.
This will be a more impressive win if he does it, yet still he has not fought a top champion in their prime...
Will Ricky's fans claim a victory against Castillo as another all time great win? Its not.

Last question, when Ricky is 36, had maybe a dozen defenses of his title, has not fought regularly, and is way past his prime, will he go to Australia, with an Australian ref and fight an up and coming aussie champ in their prime.
Not in a million years.

It's all a bit irrelevant now, I agree that Hatton would not have beaten the Tszyu of 1999-2001 but the fact remains Kostya got old and lost in 2005. He won't be the last great fighter this will happen to. Boxing has a huge list of guys who lost to fighters they would have easily beaten in their prime, Duran, Chavez, Hearns, Jones jr and perhaps even DLH has gone to long.
Good luck to Hatton i say, he won and should now get the rewards, Kostya was great and he won't be forgotton but you can't fight on forever. I wish he was 10years younger and he could take on Floyd!! At least he didn't lose to a bum!

Ok, obviously this will upset a lot of Hatton fans, but it's not like eagle is hating..he brings up legitimate points. Not that anything can change but that's what forum's are for, debate right?

To add to eagle's points...

KT was also battling a chronic shoulder injury AND when he was considering a comeback not long ago he mentioned that he felt he lacked some of his previous fire before he fought Hatton.

I always feel that Hatton was at his absolute best that night..maybe at an apex he will never reach again. And he needed to be at his best against a Tszyu that obviously didn't have all the pieces fitting perfectly in place. Still, most fighters never have everything "perfect" when they fight.


That was a great fight, let's not forget how close it was! I think KT would've pummeled hatton out in Austrailia or the US..I remember that cheer Hatton got when he bashed KT in the balls..the brits went crazy...they loved it! How often do you hear such applause for an illegal blow?

Originally Posted by jbirdy

sound like another hatton hater to me bud. i wont dignify this post with a response.

I dont hate hatton. I never have. I pick him to beat Castillo. Its just i think he is not as good a fighter as many of his fans say.
His bad performances against his last two opponents have had every excuse under the book thrown at them. The fact is he is not that much better than those fighters, not that he performed bad on the night.

Originally Posted by eagle

Originally Posted by jbirdy

sound like another hatton hater to me bud. i wont dignify this post with a response.

I dont hate hatton. I never have. I pick him to beat Castillo. Its just i think he is not as good a fighter as many of his fans say.
His bad performances against his last two opponents have had every excuse under the book thrown at them. The fact is he is not that much better than those fighters, not that he performed bad on the night.

So its fine for Tszyu to have excuses but not Hatton well i can do legimate excuse for Hatton against Collazo was he didn't have much time to get up to the weight he had never fought at that weight fact im not Hattons biggest fan but come on don't try a take his win away from Kostya because no one on this forum gave him a chance Kostya had no arguments and didn't he say he got beat by the better man ??

Not that it matters, but somebody forgot to mention the time the fight was taking place. Even with all of this, most gave Tszyu a puncher's chance of winning and lost. This is a simple case of the better man winning.

Originally Posted by MistaDibbs

Not that it matters, but somebody forgot to mention the time the fight was taking place. Even with all of this, most gave Tszyu a puncher's chance of winning and lost. This is a simple case of the better man winning.

Yes finally im not alone cc.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by MistaDibbs

Not that it matters, but somebody forgot to mention the time the fight was taking place. Even with all of this, most gave Tszyu a puncher's chance of winning and lost. This is a simple case of the better man winning.

Yes finally im not alone cc.

The point im trying to make is that when hatton beat tszyu many on this forum wanted him to be a p4p top 4. But is he really that good if his greates win in a 40 plus fight career is against a 36 year old who was on the way out?
Name another fighter he has beaten who could even rank in a p4p top 30? None yet still some people want him in their top 10. dont add up.
Why doesnt he fight a top guy in their prime?

Originally Posted by eagle

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by MistaDibbs

Not that it matters, but somebody forgot to mention the time the fight was taking place. Even with all of this, most gave Tszyu a puncher's chance of winning and lost. This is a simple case of the better man winning.

Yes finally im not alone cc.

The point im trying to make is that when hatton beat tszyu many on this forum wanted him to be a p4p top 4. But is he really that good if his greates win in a 40 plus fight career is against a 36 year old who was on the way out?
Name another fighter he has beaten who could even rank in a p4p top 30? None yet still some people want him in their top 10. dont add up.
Why doesnt he fight a top guy in their prime?

Well i don't know but Collazo isn't bad fighter slick figher who has decent skills i have actually said in another thread that im not sure Hatton should be top 10 p4p but like i said in other thread i'll wait until Castillo fight and i do agree with you his only big win is against an older Kostya but it was still great performance from Hatton no doubt.

Righto brits settle down, settle down guys ok. Go have a cup of tea and some nice scones and come back ok. If anyone knows these arguments....I DO! Cmon i think i hold the record around here for most arguments about this fight? Am i right, all the old school members will tell you that. Hatton won, good on him, fights been over for years....so kostya fans just let it go. I had alot of built up anger about the whole fight coz imo the ref was fuckin dodgy as an english prostitute And if you guys wanna hate me for thinking that then look bring it on, i have found a post where even memphis states parris and vann were dodgy in a couple of fights or something like that so dont act like im a conspiracy theorist. Problem with hatton lovers is...they think all credit should go to hatton, i agree to a degree but you gotta watch this fight objectively which i have recently. Hatton won and was winning on the score cards for sure, but damn man there was some dodgy fuckin shit in that fight. Yeah kostya low blowed him a couple of times....but watch it closely, where do those shots hit? They hit on the top of hattons trunks where im assuming his belly button would be. Kostya was warned, fair enough. But i do remember reading the rules regarding a INTENTIONAL LOW BLOW, the one by hatton. That is a MANDATORY 2 points or a DQ. And there was only a warning for that. Ok guys now dont start ripping into me, im not the same old snakey...im objective now, back to the way i was before that fight happened...the way i was when i first joined. I hold no grudges over this fight, this is one of many different views i have. I no longer just focus on kostya tszyu and this fight. So go ahead and sad click me if ya want, i understand. And by the way, hattons gonna beat castillo i reckon, ko most probably i think.

The Only thing I hated about that fight was the ref letting Hatton Practice "The Quiet Man" style you know like John Ruiz

Piss on all of you for engaging in the most cliched outdated and useless argument since Valuev is better than Marciano (or whatever the Hell Landmine950 had).

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Piss on all of you for engaging in the most cliched outdated and useless argument since Valuev is better than Marciano (or whatever the Hell Landmine950 had).

How is it useless?