Thread: Who Had The Better Chin James Toney Or Marvin Hagler ??

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I say Marvin. Him and Ray Robinson had the best.

I'm just wondering if Pavlik 20 years down the road will be in that category. He took Miranda's best shots unphased.

As huge a Toney fan as I am, I don't know if I've ever seen Hagler as stunned as Toney was versus Reggie Johnson. Not saying he was out on his feet by any means but he was definitely stunned. The Roy Jones knockdown was BS but the Johnson one wasn't. Didn't Hagler get dropped a couple times by somebody earlier in his career, I haven't seen that many of his earlier fights so I'm not sure.

Either way, both all time great chins. I'm not sure how many more interesting mythical matchups I could think of then Hagler-Toney, that would be incredible especially with their styles

Originally Posted by southakron314

I'm just wondering if Pavlik 20 years down the road will be in that category. He took Miranda's best shots unphased.

unpahes is a massive over statment imo... palivk was fucking rtpcked more than once in that fight... it was down to the fact his punches tok such a tole on miranda in the early rounds that palivk himself didn't go down

Originally Posted by OumaFan

As huge a Toney fan as I am, I don't know if I've ever seen Hagler as stunned as Toney was versus Reggie Johnson. Not saying he was out on his feet by any means but he was definitely stunned. The Roy Jones knockdown was BS but the Johnson one wasn't. Didn't Hagler get dropped a couple times by somebody earlier in his career, I haven't seen that many of his earlier fights so I'm not sure.

Either way, both all time great chins. I'm not sure how many more interesting mythical matchups I could think of then Hagler-Toney, that would be incredible especially with their styles

Hagler was dropped once which is considering by mostly everyone as a slip.

How about Ray Mercer? He seemed to shrug off everything that landed on him. He has started to feel it now he is older, but he did have a granite chin. I would have loved to seen a prime Mercer Vs Tyson (prime).

i think it was posted in the MMA section,a chin is often as good a a fighter defence... it owuld take it further and add fitness...

its not so much the chin that counts in flashknock downs, more of the condition and terms of the kncok down, a great condition fighter can take great hits, whislt a fighter taking an unxpected hit will god down..

Take they knockdown of toney v RJJ... toney was ebign cocky he took a hit whislt his body was toaly relaxed... when a fighter is able to see a punch coing their upper body is tense, thier neck and soulder are tense waiting to absorb the punch there for the chin isn't the main factor...

peopletalk about toney having a grwta chin, whislt he does boast a great record, i think thatsmainky down to his skill... he hardly got fucking hit on it lol or always had the skill tostop a guy landing the ounch that took him down

Originally Posted by Preme

i think it was posted in the MMA section,a chin is often as good a a fighter defence... it owuld take it further and add fitness...

its not so much the chin that counts in flashknock downs, more of the condition and terms of the kncok down, a great condition fighter can take great hits, whislt a fighter taking an unxpected hit will god down..

Take they knockdown of toney v RJJ... toney was ebign cocky he took a hit whislt his body was toaly relaxed... when a fighter is able to see a punch coing their upper body is tense, thier neck and soulder are tense waiting to absorb the punch there for the chin isn't the main factor...

peopletalk about toney having a grwta chin, whislt he does boast a great record, i think thatsmainky down to his skill... he hardly got F****** hit on it lol or always had the skill tostop a guy landing the ounch that took him down

I think the RJJ one was more about being off balanced and Jones pushed him too.

But its clearly true about the skill factor, doesn't matter how good you're chin is if you're defense sucks. But Hagler's defense was better than people give him credit for, he wasn't just a wild brawler.

And I think Toney showed his chin later at heavyweight when he was getting hit more.

Originally Posted by Preme

Originally Posted by southakron314

I'm just wondering if Pavlik 20 years down the road will be in that category. He took Miranda's best shots unphased.

unpahes is a massive over statment imo... palivk was F****** rtpcked more than once in that fight... it was down to the fact his punches tok such a tole on miranda in the early rounds that palivk himself didn't go down

Were did he look hurt . After he took three on the chin which way did he go. Strait forward. He wasnt hurt.

Obviously we'll never know for sure and all we can do is speculate, expecially considering the fact that James had better defense and could roll with punches better than Hagler. Both fought incredibly hard punchers in their careers.

But for going the distance TWICE with dynamite fisted HW Sam Peter and surviving some real bombs from him, I gotta give the nod to old hardheaded James. Hearns and Mugabi could punch with the best of em, but you can't compare 160lb punchers with a 240lb puncher like Peters.

James Toney... lets see Hagler take Peter's punch.

Toney has fought opponents that weighed as little as 155 pounds, and as much as 257 pounds. That's a 102 pound gap. And he maintained his ability to take a punch throughout all those weight classes.

I'd have to rank his chin above Hagler, who never went above middleweight.

Could Hagler Take shots from a 240 Sam Peter I think its a toss up quite Honestly.... George Chuvalo to me wasnt even Human.. Foreman beat the living piss out of him and never even blinked

Originally Posted by Taeth

James Toney... lets see Hagler take Peter's punch.

i ee where your coming from ate..

but don;tforget toney was around the same weight, he had the upper body muscle to absord the punches...

had tone come in at the same weight he had atmiddleweighthe would of been sparked...