Thread: The legacy of Sugar Shane Mosely.

Having rewatched Mosely v Cotto AGAIN last night I saw Shane's hesitance to commit to another fight. Shane although in a pleasent mood as always seemed a little disconsolate and refused to definitively answer the question put to him bY HBO'S Max Kellerman.

This made me wonder. Should the Sugar man retire toady, what would your opinion of him be? What are your primary memories and are they fond memories or not?

For me he goes down in history as an ATG Lightweight. This may be a bit much for some people but I feel at 135 he was that good.
I'll always remeber his chin and heart, for a guy who was actually smaller than nearly all of his competition he never was fazed and apart from the Wright and Forrest fights I never saw him beaten decisively.

So.....Thoughts?

I have no issue with watching him fight on for now. He is not as good as he once was, but he still has given a great account of himself. I like the idea he is making some good paychecks to retire with. He deserves it after being so great for the sport.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Having rewatched Mosely v Cotto AGAIN last night I saw Shane's hesitance to commit to another fight. Shane although in a pleasent mood as always seemed a little disconsolate and refused to definitively answer the question put to him bY HBO'S Max Kellerman.

This made me wonder. Should the Sugar man retire toady, what would your opinion of him be? What are your primary memories and are they fond memories or not?

For me he goes down in history as an ATG Lightweight. This may be a bit much for some people but I feel at 135 he was that good.
I'll always remeber his chin and heart, for a guy who was actually smaller than nearly all of his competition he never was fazed and apart from the Wright and Forrest fights I never saw him beaten decisively.

So.....Thoughts?

Hey Donny i remember when he was i 135 pnd. ,very faster with a hard shots and also the most of his KO was in that weight and in 140 pnd he was great too , he realy was in his Prime in that ERA.....

I really hope Sugar Shane keeps fighting a while longer, he can more than hold his own in the welterweight division.

His performance against Cotto was better than most probably give him credit for, he lost most of the middle rounds but came back strong at the end and as Kellerman said it was Mosely exerting his will over Cotto in those final rounds rather than the other way around.

We should also remember that prior to that fight he knocked out Vargas and whupped Louis Collazo.

He's still got loads to offer, even at this advanced stage.

I'd pick him to beat any weltwerweight outside of Floyd and Cotto. Guys like Margarito, Williams and Quintana Shane would have an excellent chance to beat and that alone makes me hope he stays in the division a while longer.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

I really hope Sugar Shane keeps fighting a while longer, he can more than hold his own in the welterweight division.

His performance against Cotto was better than most probably give him credit for, he lost most of the middle rounds but came back strong at the end and as Kellerman said it was Mosely exerting his will over Cotto in those final rounds rather than the other way around.

We should also remember that prior to that fight he knocked out Vargas and whupped Louis Collazo.

He's still got loads to offer, even at this advanced stage.

I'd pick him to beat any weltwerweight outside of Floyd and Cotto. Guys like Margarito, Williams and Quintana Shane would have an excellent chance to beat and that alone makes me hope he stays in the division a while longer.

Bilbo, you are a wise old hobbit. I agree 100%.

while Mosley was an EXCELLENT lightweight he just doesnt have enough good names on his record to be considered an all time great at the weight. and at welter his record was patchy at best,2 losses to Forrest ,a close win over the transves....i mean De La Hoya, a KO of Adrian stone, a loss to Cotto(clear im my opinion) .....i mean its hardly great.
but i always liked Shane,he was a brave guy with a real fighters attitude but what do you think of his drug use nobody mentioned it yet.
i for one think it should count against him.a cheat is a cheat whether we like it or not .

Shane was definetly an all time great at lightweight noone could touch him. His hand speed and especially his bodypunching was awesome. I feel as he moved up in weight he lost his combination punching and went for one punch power instead but like Donny said ive seen all Shanes fights and only seen him dominated by Forrest & Wright but these are both awkward fighters to face. I think Mosley did look a bit hesitant in the Cotto fight but noone has pushed Cotto to such a close fight imop and the more I watch the fight the closer I score it.

Mosley will always be one of my favourite fighters not only for his style and his chin but his professional attitude, you rarley hear him dis another opponent and he always gracious in defeat. Plus he never ducked away from a challenge like rematching Forrest and Wright straight after losing to them so convincingly which not many fighters would have done.

I still wish I could have seen Mosley fight Mayweather.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Having rewatched Mosely v Cotto AGAIN last night I saw Shane's hesitance to commit to another fight. Shane although in a pleasent mood as always seemed a little disconsolate and refused to definitively answer the question put to him bY HBO'S Max Kellerman.

This made me wonder. Should the Sugar man retire toady, what would your opinion of him be? What are your primary memories and are they fond memories or not?

For me he goes down in history as an ATG Lightweight. This may be a bit much for some people but I feel at 135 he was that good.
I'll always remeber his chin and heart, for a guy who was actually smaller than nearly all of his competition he never was fazed and apart from the Wright and Forrest fights I never saw him beaten decisively.

So.....Thoughts?

If Shane's heart is not in it I would rather see him retire....Mosley is an ATG....Best at LW but ATG in general....He has only really been beaten by 1 man in his prime years and that was Forrest who also could have been great if he was able to mentally recover from the Mayorga beating...IMO he never really did....

As for my memeories of Mosley...all of them good...Shane has always been a true gentleman...a great face for the sport...his speed was fantastic...his power at LW was dangerous....I always said I would have loved to see a prime Mosley at LW go against Mayweather at LW...IMO Mosley not only beats him but KO's him

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Having rewatched Mosely v Cotto AGAIN last night I saw Shane's hesitance to commit to another fight. Shane although in a pleasent mood as always seemed a little disconsolate and refused to definitively answer the question put to him bY HBO'S Max Kellerman.

This made me wonder. Should the Sugar man retire toady, what would your opinion of him be? What are your primary memories and are they fond memories or not?

For me he goes down in history as an ATG Lightweight. This may be a bit much for some people but I feel at 135 he was that good.
I'll always remeber his chin and heart, for a guy who was actually smaller than nearly all of his competition he never was fazed and apart from the Wright and Forrest fights I never saw him beaten decisively.

So.....Thoughts?

The fact that Mosley could fight even with a fighter like Cotto at his age speaks volumes how much of a great fighter Mosley is. Nice guy outside the ring and a hell of a fighter inside the ring. He had one of the quickest hands i've ever seen i would have loved to have seen Shane Mosley vs Meldrick Taylor can you imagine the speed of the combinations in that fight wow is all i can say. I also think Mosley has one of the best chins in modern day boxing, he was for certain one of the best Lightweights in history i even think he could of beat the legendary Roberto Duran at Lightweight.

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Having rewatched Mosely v Cotto AGAIN last night I saw Shane's hesitance to commit to another fight. Shane although in a pleasent mood as always seemed a little disconsolate and refused to definitively answer the question put to him bY HBO'S Max Kellerman.

This made me wonder. Should the Sugar man retire toady, what would your opinion of him be? What are your primary memories and are they fond memories or not?

For me he goes down in history as an ATG Lightweight. This may be a bit much for some people but I feel at 135 he was that good.
I'll always remeber his chin and heart, for a guy who was actually smaller than nearly all of his competition he never was fazed and apart from the Wright and Forrest fights I never saw him beaten decisively.

So.....Thoughts?

The fact that Mosley could fight even with a fighter like Cotto at his age speaks volumes how much of a great fighter Mosley is. Nice guy outside the ring and a hell of a fighter inside the ring. He had one of the quickest hands i've ever seen i would have loved to have seen Shane Mosley vs Meldrick Taylor can you imagine the speed of the combinations in that fight wow is all i can say. I also think Mosley has one of the best chins in modern day boxing, he was for certain one of the best Lightweights in history i even think he could of beat the legendary Roberto Duran at Lightweight.

He's absolutely a top 3 ATG Lightweight and a top 20 WW. He was unstoppable at 135 and one of the tops of his generation for WW. I was talking about Shane with one of his cousins, and he told me the only guy who ever really had Shane hurt was Forrest. Shane vs Duran at 135 would be amazing.

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Having rewatched Mosely v Cotto AGAIN last night I saw Shane's hesitance to commit to another fight. Shane although in a pleasent mood as always seemed a little disconsolate and refused to definitively answer the question put to him bY HBO'S Max Kellerman.

This made me wonder. Should the Sugar man retire toady, what would your opinion of him be? What are your primary memories and are they fond memories or not?

For me he goes down in history as an ATG Lightweight. This may be a bit much for some people but I feel at 135 he was that good.
I'll always remeber his chin and heart, for a guy who was actually smaller than nearly all of his competition he never was fazed and apart from the Wright and Forrest fights I never saw him beaten decisively.

So.....Thoughts?

The fact that Mosley could fight even with a fighter like Cotto at his age speaks volumes how much of a great fighter Mosley is. Nice guy outside the ring and a hell of a fighter inside the ring. He had one of the quickest hands i've ever seen i would have loved to have seen Shane Mosley vs Meldrick Taylor can you imagine the speed of the combinations in that fight wow is all i can say. I also think Mosley has one of the best chins in modern day boxing, he was for certain one of the best Lightweights in history i even think he could of beat the legendary Roberto Duran at Lightweight.

He's absolutely a top 3 ATG Lightweight and a top 20 WW. He was unstoppable at 135 and one of the tops of his generation for WW. I was talking about Shane with one of his cousins, and he told me the only guy who ever really had Shane hurt was Forrest. Shane vs Duran at 135 would be amazing.

Top 3? He struggles to make top 10 IMO

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Originally Posted by ICB

The fact that Mosley could fight even with a fighter like Cotto at his age speaks volumes how much of a great fighter Mosley is. Nice guy outside the ring and a hell of a fighter inside the ring. He had one of the quickest hands i've ever seen i would have loved to have seen Shane Mosley vs Meldrick Taylor can you imagine the speed of the combinations in that fight wow is all i can say. I also think Mosley has one of the best chins in modern day boxing, he was for certain one of the best Lightweights in history i even think he could of beat the legendary Roberto Duran at Lightweight.

He's absolutely a top 3 ATG Lightweight and a top 20 WW. He was unstoppable at 135 and one of the tops of his generation for WW. I was talking about Shane with one of his cousins, and he told me the only guy who ever really had Shane hurt was Forrest. Shane vs Duran at 135 would be amazing.

Top 3? He struggles to make top 10 IMO

I could argue 20 reasons he belongs among the top ...

Speed.....fastas any LW in history faster then most

Power..Hit hard....especially in combos

Chin...Never even wobbled at 135 he was slick, youu name it he had it....How many reasons can you name why he isn't worthy of top 10?

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Originally Posted by RozzySean

He's absolutely a top 3 ATG Lightweight and a top 20 WW. He was unstoppable at 135 and one of the tops of his generation for WW. I was talking about Shane with one of his cousins, and he told me the only guy who ever really had Shane hurt was Forrest. Shane vs Duran at 135 would be amazing.

Top 3? He struggles to make top 10 IMO

I could argue 20 reasons he belongs among the top ...

Speed.....fastas any LW in history faster then most

Power..Hit hard....especially in combos

Chin...Never even wobbled at 135 he was slick, youu name it he had it....How many reasons can you name why he isn't worthy of top 10?

Duran, Leonard, Whiitaker, Gans, Williams, Brown, Ortiz, Canzoneri, Montgomery, Jack, Ambers, Welsh... theres more than 10 reasons right there

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Originally Posted by ICB

The fact that Mosley could fight even with a fighter like Cotto at his age speaks volumes how much of a great fighter Mosley is. Nice guy outside the ring and a hell of a fighter inside the ring. He had one of the quickest hands i've ever seen i would have loved to have seen Shane Mosley vs Meldrick Taylor can you imagine the speed of the combinations in that fight wow is all i can say. I also think Mosley has one of the best chins in modern day boxing, he was for certain one of the best Lightweights in history i even think he could of beat the legendary Roberto Duran at Lightweight.

He's absolutely a top 3 ATG Lightweight and a top 20 WW. He was unstoppable at 135 and one of the tops of his generation for WW. I was talking about Shane with one of his cousins, and he told me the only guy who ever really had Shane hurt was Forrest. Shane vs Duran at 135 would be amazing.

Top 3? He struggles to make top 10 IMO

He struggles to make your your top 10 in at 135? That's pretty surprising. I can't imagine anybody not including him in a list of top 10 lightweights. Do you remember young, prime, lightweight Sugar Shane?

Although i agree Seanie i can still understand Galaxy's point. There has been many great Lightweights and i just done this top 10 list off the top of my head not in order of some of the greatest Lightweights of all time. And i could have easily left Mosley off this list and replaced him with Esteban De Jesus or etc.

Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Joe Gans
Shane Mosley
Tony Canzoneri
Carlos Ortiz
Pernell Whitaker
Ike Williams
Joe Brown
Jimmy Carter