Thread: If you had to make a P4P list for the little guys

under 122 pounds, what would be your top ten P4P. I did one of these a long time ago on here, it was a lot different than I'd have it now, guys like Arce, Luis Perez don't make the cut for me anymore.

Something tells me this thread won't be for everybody

1)Ivan Calderon
2)Christian Mijares
3)Fernando Montiel
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10)

Edit-wow, this is harder than I thought, ranking all these guys, I'm probably going to be changing my list as I go along.

There's so many guys: Hasegawa, Solis, Cazares, Penalosa, Nonito Donaire, Sakata, Narvaez, Naito, Niida, Edgar Sosa, Munoz, I'm sure I'm forgetting some beyond that.

How far on the slide did Sakata look last time? He's got the accomplishments to be way up there but I've heard he's looking a bit past it.

I'll go ahead and add Wonjogknam just not to offend Mick


I've changed it about 8 times and not done yet

1)Ivan Calderon
2)Christian Mijares
3)Fernando Montiel
4)Sakata
5)Donaire
6)Solis
7)Hasegawa
Cazares
9)Penalosa
10)

Don't know enough about Narvaez, or really Niida either although I've seen Niida once or twice. Penalosa should probably be higher. Its a process.

I'd put Montiel ahead of Mijares.....that fight MUST happen .One on the rise thats fairly new to me is Roman Gonzalez out Of Nicaragua,Limited viewing but looks Impressive.....so far.

I like Gonzalez' ability a lot, he just hasn't had the big fights to crack the list for me. Very good prospect though.

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

Pretty everyone covered there. Though the order can be arranged. Hasegawa does not belong above Doniare

Originally Posted by Put Em' Up

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

Pretty everyone covered there. Though the order can be arranged. Hasegawa does not belong above Doniare

If you seen Hasegawa fight you'll know he does. Plus he's beaten better opposition than Donaire

I don't really have a strong opinion on whether to rate Donaire or Hasegawa higher. They're both very good fighters.

under 122...


1. Mijares
2. Ivan
3. Montiel
4. Hasegawa
5. Nonito
6. Solis
7. Penalosa
8. Sakata
9. Narvaez
10. Cazares
11. Niida
12. Oleydong
13. Nietes
14. Naito
15. Munoz

I think Roman Gonzalez will be one of the best little fighters P4P.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

VD, I know you like Koki a lot but really #12 P4P...
(this isn't a skills list this is just p4p)

How are Koki, Silence, Gorres and Segura on your list but no Sosa or Nietes who IMO have clearly done more in p4p terms then Koki, Silence, Gorres and def. more then the young Segura.

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

VD, I know you like Koki a lot but really #12 P4P...
(this isn't a skills list this is just p4p)

How are Koki, Silence, Gorres and Segura on your list but no Sosa or Nietes who IMO have clearly done more in p4p terms then Koki, Silence, Gorres and def. more then the young Segura.

If he atually fought in his proper weight class our little Ian Napa could whup everyone on your sucky p4p lists. He's the real deal.

Micks list and VD's pretty much say it all. Hasegawa has accomplished alot more than Donaire so that's justified.

1. Calderon
2. Mijares
3. Montiel
4. Hasegawa
5. Sakata
6. Solis
7. Penalosa


Mine would go domething like that.More like Micks I think. Calderon HAS to be first imo. No question about it. 2 weight champ. Undefeated.Upteen defences. And rarely gets hit in a fight. AND beat some of th best fighters around along the way. Mijares has a way to go before he catches up to that imo,especially as Ivan is fighting Hugo again.

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

1 Fernando Monteil
2 Christian Mijares
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Hozumi Hasegawa
5 Ulises Solis
6 Yutaka Niida
7 Nonito Donaire
8 Takefumi Sakata
9 Omar Narvaez
10 Daisuke Naito
11 Gerry Penalosa
12 Koki Kameda
13 Silence Mabuza
14 Hugo Cazares
15 Joseph Agbeko
16 Z Gorres
17 Alexander Munoz
18 Oleydong Something
19 Brahim Asloum
20 Giovanni Segura

VD, I know you like Koki a lot but really #12 P4P...
(this isn't a skills list this is just p4p)

How are Koki, Silence, Gorres and Segura on your list but no Sosa or Nietes who IMO have clearly done more in p4p terms then Koki, Silence, Gorres and def. more then the young Segura.

Regarding Sosa non-placement. Easy. I forgot about him. Nietes has done more than Segura. I agree. But I seen one of Nietes fights. Every fighter on my lists I seen at least 3 times. Including the obscure Olyedong. For some reason I'm having a hard time locating Nietes fights. I can't really rate a fighter I seen so little of.