Thread: If these guys fought prime 4 prime on there best night who would have most Wins?

Lewis
Holyfield
Bowe
Tyson
wlad


Prime for prime and remember if they all fought each other say twice prime and taking into account some fighters stylistically are more effective against better fighters.

1. Tyson
2. Lewis
3. Holyfield
4. Bowe
5. Wlad

I know Bowe owned Evander prime but i think Evander would do better against the other 3 than Bowe his style wise is more suited to Tyson and lennox imo.

What u guys think.

Most wins imo

Tyson
Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield
Vlad (who would lose to them all!!)

Originally Posted by BIG H

Most wins imo

Tyson
Lewis
Bowe
Holyfield
Vlad (who would lose to them all!!)

Was a toss up for me Bowe and holyfield, probably because Evander did pretty well against them and Bowe never fought Mike or Lennox.

I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.

Lewis beats Bowe (Ive changed on that one) and Lewis beats Wlad.

Lewis - I think he could beat them all and would have beaten Wvlad if they met

Holyfield - Him and Bowe beat each other but priome for prime Holy matches up better against teh other names

Tyson - At his best it was only the style of lewis and Holyfield he had trouble with. i think he couldnt have taken bowe once bowes mental demons set in

Bowe- not as good as teh rest but a more complete fighter than wvlad

klitschko - dont think he would have beaten any of tthe names above unless it was a lucky punch .

1 Lennox Lewis
2 Riddick Bowe
3 Evander Holyfield
4 Mike Tyson

This will be an unpopular choice but i don't think Tyson nor Wlad beats any of those top 3 on there best nights.

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.

Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.

Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then

Tyson died when he left Rooney and Cayton tbh.

He still had good displays against Tubbs, Bruno and Ruddock but he was a shell. Wasnt moving his head and forgot his jab and worst of all was drinking heavy not training.

I still say if Rooney had been training Mike for the Douglas fight, Buster would not have gone 6rds.

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.

Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then

Tyson died when he left Rooney and Cayton tbh.

He still had good displays against Tubbs, Bruno and Ruddock but he was a shell. Wasnt moving his head and forgot his jab and worst of all was drinking heavy not training.

I still say if Rooney had been training Mike for the Douglas fight, Buster would not have gone 6rds.

It's still hard to say for me on that night.It's important with whom and what a fighter surrounds himself with but ultimately,they can not make a fighter preform if a guys head is not there.IMo,Tyson was soft mentally and needed boosting up at times,making him easily influenced by King.He told Tyson what he wanted to hear,Rooney & Atlas told him what he needed to here....mostly.I do agree that Tyson was surrounding himself with complete tools specifically in the Douglas fight.....frigging fan boys,and a Hot water bottle, WTF indeed.Douglas was on point in there and I still say He could have given many,many a fine heavyweight hell that night.

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

I think Holyfield would have beaten Tyson even on original date signed,If not for cancellation.

Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then

Tyson died when he left Rooney and Cayton tbh.

He still had good displays against Tubbs, Bruno and Ruddock but he was a shell. Wasnt moving his head and forgot his jab and worst of all was drinking heavy not training.

I still say if Rooney had been training Mike for the Douglas fight, Buster would not have gone 6rds.

Tyson was always mentally weak regardless of what trainer he had or etc, i still don't get why people think Tyson is some sort of unbeatable fighting machine, i see him struggle against Tony Tucker and Tucker broke his hand after the 4th round, and i see him struggle with Tillis as well, what they both had in common was that they were both tall and good movers. I mean people base Tyson off two performances against Berbick, Spinks, which were both combined only 3 rounds. Do i see Tyson as a very good fighter ?? yes but i always thought he was very beatable you could time his head movement coming in he would bob and weave 3 times then start throwing punches, but because fighters were so scared of him they never went in with any gameplan and if they did it went out of the window as soon as the first bell rung.

When Lennox was motivated, he was nearly unbeatable. And he had the physical tools... size, reach, power, boxing skills. Yeah, he got KO'd by McCall and Rahman, but look how he came back.

Tyson did the best he could with his limited size, but prime Tyson would've still lost to prime (and motivated) Lewis.

Bowe was gifted, but an underachiever. If Golota hadn't been incredibly moronic, he would've KTFO'ed Bowe, instead of getting stupidly DQ'ed.

Holyfield was a warrior, but was still a pumped-up LHW and would lose to a prime Lewis.

Wlad? He's good and improving, but he's lucky there's not a prime Lewis around to fight. Otherwise, it'd be a different story.

I think it's Lewis.

1.Lewis
2.Holyfield
3.Tyson
4.Bowe
5.Wlad

Originally Posted by ICB

1 Lennox Lewis
2 Riddick Bowe
3 Evander Holyfield
4 Mike Tyson

This will be an unpopular choice but i don't think Tyson nor Wlad beats any of those top 3 on there best nights.

I almost totally agree with this apart from I think that Evander in his Prime would have beaten Lewis and I believe that he was in his prime in the second Bowe fight and I don't think Bowe was far from his.
1)Holyfield
2)Lewis
3)Bowe
4)Tyson
5)Klitschko ( I could have made more of an arguement for Vitali Klitschko after he was beating Lewis until the cut stopped him although it wasn't Lewis in his prime!)

My list is totally different:

1. Lewis
2. Tyson
3. Bowe
4. Wlad
5. Holyfield

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by BIG H

Me too, but that was 1991 and Tyson was already done by then

Tyson died when he left Rooney and Cayton tbh.

He still had good displays against Tubbs, Bruno and Ruddock but he was a shell. Wasnt moving his head and forgot his jab and worst of all was drinking heavy not training.

I still say if Rooney had been training Mike for the Douglas fight, Buster would not have gone 6rds.

Tyson was always mentally weak regardless of what trainer he had or etc, i still don't get why people think Tyson is some sort of unbeatable fighting machine, i see him struggle against Tony Tucker and Tucker broke his hand after the 4th round, and i see him struggle with Tillis as well, what they both had in common was that they were both tall and good movers. I mean people base Tyson off two performances against Berbick, Spinks, which were both combined only 3 rounds. Do i see Tyson as a very good fighter ?? yes but i always thought he was very beatable you could time his head movement coming in he would bob and weave 3 times then start throwing punches, but because fighters were so scared of him they never went in with any gameplan and if they did it went out of the window as soon as the first bell rung.

I look at Tyson 86-89 and find it really hard to find many heavyweights that would live with him left alone compete.

The only guys i see beating him are Holmes and Ali.

Thats just my opinion i was around in Tysons hayday he was a great fighter no doubt.