Thread: Are people honestly counting Hopkins out?

IMO Hopkins should be the favorite here. He, IMO, beat Calzaghe in a close fight because he landed the cleaner more accurate punches, and compubox poorly illustrated the real facts ofhow many punches Calzaghe was landing. Secondly when has Pavlik ever been in there with somebody who has the ability to move around, Sure Pavlik is a good fighter when you are right there to be hit, but nobody looks good against Hopkins, I thought Wright would be able to, to a degree, but he lost a close fight, I thoguht Calzaghe would be able to, but he lost a close fight(IMO). The only two guys p4p in the past 15 years that I would say were clearly better than Hopkins are Mayweather and RJJ. Besides that I have him up there with Whitaker and the rest of them. Hopkins finds ways to win, Calzaghe is as busy if not busier than Pavlik, he's a lot faster, and he is a better boxer. Yet against Hopkins he looked like an amateur who won for the simple fact people don't understand that clean punching wins rounds more than anything else.
Also don't forget the one "Universal" fact nobody looks good against B-Hop

Pavlik will walk Hopkins down and knock him out, But I respect whatcha saying

I dont think Hopkins can beat Pavlik now. Pavlik throws too many punches and will most likely outwork Hopkins down the stretch to take a decision. Hopkins is in great shape for his age and did better than I thought he would against Calzaghe. Pavlik would stalk him down and those old legs can't run forever. Hopkins was looking for a way out against Calzaghe towards the end with that phantom low blow.

Hopefully Calzaghe can blow Jones away and Pavlik can impress against BHop (if that is possible??)....then we might have a fight that truly interests me.

Pavlik will out work B'hop but if Pavlik just throws the jab then a straight right after he will become easy to to work out and Hopking will counter much like he did with Calzaghe and cause Kelly to think alot more.But it wont be enough round to get the win .

While I agree that there is just no way Pavlik is going to look very good in this fight unless Hopkins becomes shot overnight which is obviously a real possibility, Hopkins can't be the favorite. I do agree that Pavlik will have some problem with a mover, but just don't believe that Bernard has the sustained movement to win enough rounds to win on a scorecard. I really disagree with those who thinks Pavlik wins by stoppage. Even at this age, I just can't picture Hopkins getting KO'd.

That being said, Bernard does have some problems with the jab, I think Pavlik's output won't be great but enough to win enough rounds and I think he takes it on the scorecards.

I dont think Pavlik creates enough angles to get his shots off before Hopkins wraps him up. I can see Pavlik squeezing a dec but i think the old fox will have him in his pocket.

I just wish Hopkins would go out and make it a real gut wrenching war and if possible, not go out on his shield.

Originally Posted by amat

While I agree that there is just no way Pavlik is going to look very good in this fight unless Hopkins becomes shot overnight which is obviously a real possibility, Hopkins can't be the favorite. I do agree that Pavlik will have some problem with a mover, but just don't believe that Bernard has the sustained movement to win enough rounds to win on a scorecard. I really disagree with those who thinks Pavlik wins by stoppage. Even at this age, I just can't picture Hopkins getting KO'd.

That being said, Bernard does have some problems with the jab, I think Pavlik's output won't be great but enough to win enough rounds and I think he takes it on the scorecards.

Even if Hopkins gets old overnight, he'll still make it ugly. Pavlik will be able to keep Hopkins at the end of the jab and unlike Calzage, when Hopkins does get hit, he will feel it. Nard will probably make this very close, and there will probably be people who see Hopkins as the winner, but I think the judges will see it for Pavlik.

Originally Posted by Taeth

IMO Hopkins should be the favorite here. He, IMO, beat Calzaghe in a close fight because he landed the cleaner more accurate punches, and compubox poorly illustrated the real facts ofhow many punches Calzaghe was landing. Secondly when has Pavlik ever been in there with somebody who has the ability to move around, Sure Pavlik is a good fighter when you are right there to be hit, but nobody looks good against Hopkins, I thought Wright would be able to, to a degree, but he lost a close fight, I thoguht Calzaghe would be able to, but he lost a close fight(IMO). The only two guys p4p in the past 15 years that I would say were clearly better than Hopkins are Mayweather and RJJ. Besides that I have him up there with Whitaker and the rest of them. Hopkins finds ways to win, Calzaghe is as busy if not busier than Pavlik, he's a lot faster, and he is a better boxer. Yet against Hopkins he looked like an amateur who won for the simple fact people don't understand that clean punching wins rounds more than anything else.
Also don't forget the one "Universal" fact nobody looks good against B-Hop

Hopkins aim was to spoil, Joe was the one making the fight and Hopkins pathetic low blow claims and play acting all went againsed him, Joe won an awkward fight. Any judge favouring a cheat and a spoiler in a close fight needs a slap.

I agree with what you said about Pavlik, I don't think he has the experience to adapt to all the spoiling Hopkins is gonna depend on to win.

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by Taeth

IMO Hopkins should be the favorite here. He, IMO, beat Calzaghe in a close fight because he landed the cleaner more accurate punches, and compubox poorly illustrated the real facts ofhow many punches Calzaghe was landing. Secondly when has Pavlik ever been in there with somebody who has the ability to move around, Sure Pavlik is a good fighter when you are right there to be hit, but nobody looks good against Hopkins, I thought Wright would be able to, to a degree, but he lost a close fight, I thoguht Calzaghe would be able to, but he lost a close fight(IMO). The only two guys p4p in the past 15 years that I would say were clearly better than Hopkins are Mayweather and RJJ. Besides that I have him up there with Whitaker and the rest of them. Hopkins finds ways to win, Calzaghe is as busy if not busier than Pavlik, he's a lot faster, and he is a better boxer. Yet against Hopkins he looked like an amateur who won for the simple fact people don't understand that clean punching wins rounds more than anything else.
Also don't forget the one "Universal" fact nobody looks good against B-Hop

Hopkins aim was to spoil, Joe was the one making the fight and Hopkins pathetic low blow claims and play acting all went againsed him, Joe won an awkward fight. Any judge favouring a cheat and a spoiler in a close fight needs a slap.

I agree with what you said about Pavlik, I don't think he has the experience to adapt to all the spoiling Hopkins is gonna depend on to win.

Stop humping Joe's leg, Hopkins made Joe look horrible.

I still don't see everyone argument, people claimed that Calzaghe, Wright, Taylor would all do out work Hopkins, but he stop every one of them from producing an effective offense, Technically Pavlik isn't on any of their levels except Taylor, and I don't how Pavlik will be able to do anything different than these guys, He doesn't bring anything new to the table except punching power, but you can't hurt what you can't hit.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by Taeth

IMO Hopkins should be the favorite here. He, IMO, beat Calzaghe in a close fight because he landed the cleaner more accurate punches, and compubox poorly illustrated the real facts ofhow many punches Calzaghe was landing. Secondly when has Pavlik ever been in there with somebody who has the ability to move around, Sure Pavlik is a good fighter when you are right there to be hit, but nobody looks good against Hopkins, I thought Wright would be able to, to a degree, but he lost a close fight, I thoguht Calzaghe would be able to, but he lost a close fight(IMO). The only two guys p4p in the past 15 years that I would say were clearly better than Hopkins are Mayweather and RJJ. Besides that I have him up there with Whitaker and the rest of them. Hopkins finds ways to win, Calzaghe is as busy if not busier than Pavlik, he's a lot faster, and he is a better boxer. Yet against Hopkins he looked like an amateur who won for the simple fact people don't understand that clean punching wins rounds more than anything else.
Also don't forget the one "Universal" fact nobody looks good against B-Hop

Hopkins aim was to spoil, Joe was the one making the fight and Hopkins pathetic low blow claims and play acting all went againsed him, Joe won an awkward fight. Any judge favouring a cheat and a spoiler in a close fight needs a slap.

I agree with what you said about Pavlik, I don't think he has the experience to adapt to all the spoiling Hopkins is gonna depend on to win.

Stop humping Joe's leg, Hopkins made Joe look horrible.

I still don't see everyone argument, people claimed that Calzaghe, Wright, Taylor would all do out work Hopkins, but he stop every one of them from producing an effective offense, Technically Pavlik isn't on any of their levels except Taylor, and I don't how Pavlik will be able to do anything different than these guys, He doesn't bring anything new to the table except punching power, but you can't hurt what you can't hit.

I'm agreeing with you more then you think. I by no means think Taylor is going to look good and I expect a fight just like the one with Wright, Taylor and Calzaghe, with it being very close. And again, I thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe too. I just think that due to his workrate and great stamina that he'll be able to edge a very close decision like the others did. That's not counting Hopkins out, and I think it's foolish of people to slam this fight. There is literally no one better for Pavlik to face right now.

Hopkins didn't come close to beating calzaghe and the only one who will be counting hopkins out will be the ref,=...1....2.....10 yer out.

Going into the mid rounds Hopkins was looking for a way out(Low Blow) I think Pavlik will knock him out, Just my opinion

Originally Posted by amat

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by Kel

Hopkins aim was to spoil, Joe was the one making the fight and Hopkins pathetic low blow claims and play acting all went againsed him, Joe won an awkward fight. Any judge favouring a cheat and a spoiler in a close fight needs a slap.

I agree with what you said about Pavlik, I don't think he has the experience to adapt to all the spoiling Hopkins is gonna depend on to win.

Stop humping Joe's leg, Hopkins made Joe look horrible.

I still don't see everyone argument, people claimed that Calzaghe, Wright, Taylor would all do out work Hopkins, but he stop every one of them from producing an effective offense, Technically Pavlik isn't on any of their levels except Taylor, and I don't how Pavlik will be able to do anything different than these guys, He doesn't bring anything new to the table except punching power, but you can't hurt what you can't hit.

I'm agreeing with you more then you think. I by no means think Taylor is going to look good and I expect a fight just like the one with Wright, Taylor and Calzaghe, with it being very close. And again, I thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe too. I just think that due to his workrate and great stamina that he'll be able to edge a very close decision like the others did. That's not counting Hopkins out, and I think it's foolish of people to slam this fight. There is literally no one better for Pavlik to face right now.

This is assuming Pavlik is as good as Calzaghe or Wright. Taylor was able to hang in there with Hopkins because he is a good athlete with good reflexes. HIs second fight with Pavlik showed that he was at least as good as Pavlik, maybe not as active of a puncher, but he was on the same level as Pavlik. Against Hopkins Taylor's speed and athleticism stook out because thats the kind of fight Hopkins fights, Taylor is way better coming forward than he is going backwards, and Pavlik made Taylor fight backwards. THat being said at this point Hopkins is a lot better going backwards then Taylor is, or anyone left in the sport. THat means Pavlik is coming forward against maybe the best counterpuncher in the sport with enough punching power to knock Calzaghe down, and stun him a couple of times, and Joe is a better athlete then Pavlik, he has faster feet which means more pressure, and he has better timing, accuracy, ring intelligence, etc.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by amat

Originally Posted by Taeth

Stop humping Joe's leg, Hopkins made Joe look horrible.

I still don't see everyone argument, people claimed that Calzaghe, Wright, Taylor would all do out work Hopkins, but he stop every one of them from producing an effective offense, Technically Pavlik isn't on any of their levels except Taylor, and I don't how Pavlik will be able to do anything different than these guys, He doesn't bring anything new to the table except punching power, but you can't hurt what you can't hit.

I'm agreeing with you more then you think. I by no means think Taylor is going to look good and I expect a fight just like the one with Wright, Taylor and Calzaghe, with it being very close. And again, I thought Hopkins beat Calzaghe too. I just think that due to his workrate and great stamina that he'll be able to edge a very close decision like the others did. That's not counting Hopkins out, and I think it's foolish of people to slam this fight. There is literally no one better for Pavlik to face right now.

This is assuming Pavlik is as good as Calzaghe or Wright. Taylor was able to hang in there with Hopkins because he is a good athlete with good reflexes. HIs second fight with Pavlik showed that he was at least as good as Pavlik, maybe not as active of a puncher, but he was on the same level as Pavlik. Against Hopkins Taylor's speed and athleticism stook out because thats the kind of fight Hopkins fights, Taylor is way better coming forward than he is going backwards, and Pavlik made Taylor fight backwards. THat being said at this point Hopkins is a lot better going backwards then Taylor is, or anyone left in the sport. THat means Pavlik is coming forward against maybe the best counterpuncher in the sport with enough punching power to knock Calzaghe down, and stun him a couple of times, and Joe is a better athlete then Pavlik, he has faster feet which means more pressure, and he has better timing, accuracy, ring intelligence, etc.

Do you think he can cause a big upset by koing Pavlik?