Thread: Someone explain this to me (Floyd/Hatton weight issue)

I realize this subject is almost a year old now, but with Ricky getting back into the swing of things seemingly, I've noticed its coming up again even from Ricky himself.

Apart from Joe Cortez, the biggest excuse for his loss was the weight they fought at. Both guys are the same height, Ricky started his career (and stayed) at 140, Floyd starts his career at 130. Ricky is known as the bigger fighter, a guy who balloons up between fights and kills himself to make weight.

So how would the fight have been any different if both men had to weight in at 140? People say Ricky isn't a WW. True, but neither is Mayweather. Mayweather is just a guy fighting in weight classes he has no business in because he's going where the money is.

So how would have 140 made the fight different? You'd think weighting at 147 would benefit Ricky more, because he's the guy who kills himself making weight. Would extra hours spent in the sauna cutting weight make Ricky better? Would making 140 be to PBF's detriment? Why? He's in shape 24/7, 365 and never has an issue making weight.

This seems to be the biggest excuse aside from Joe Cortez, and I NEVER understood it. The argument was Ricky didn't look good when he fought natural WWs, but PBF IS NOT A NATURAL WELTERWEIGHT.

it was just an excuse.. PBF is prob a natural at 140 at this stage in his life.. It was a fair fight and Ricky lost, and im a hatton fan..

I ain't gonna even get involved in this thread

Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

it was just an excuse.. PBF is prob a natural at 140 at this stage in his life.. It was a fair fight and Ricky lost, and im a hatton fan..

Yup. I've yet to hear anyone explain in a compelling manner why the weight made any difference.

there is NO ISSUE floyd is just a better boxer period. and if he goes back to 140 he will still beat hatton. the main excuse i hear is that the ref didnt let Ricky fight his fight thats bullshit PBF didnt let Ricky fight his fight. no matter where its at PBF will always come out in top.

im afraid to say that how ever ricky would of approached this fight he was gettin beat, Mayweather is better in every department..

Saying that if a re-match does come off between these two in say 2010 at wembley i will be there without doubt, because you just never do know in boxing and ricky could just pull a major unset!!!

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by gudnite vienna

it was just an excuse.. PBF is prob a natural at 140 at this stage in his life.. It was a fair fight and Ricky lost, and im a hatton fan..

Yup. I've yet to hear anyone explain in a compelling manner why the weight made any difference.

I know, its weird. Its been said SO MANY TIMES but no one has ever explained it. I even heard people use it BEFORE the fight even happened!

Has leftylee not got any idea why this weight issue has been mentioned about the fight..

im a hatton fan and he would never could never beat mayweather

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse and it doesn't make any sense. The problem then, according to you, is his dedication, not the weight. If he would've been so much better at 140, why not weigh in at 140 then?

If you can't be properly motivated to train to the maximum extent of your ability when you are facing the best boxer in the world, then you a are a fucking joke.

You would see the exact same fight from Hatton at 140.

Chill out man dont take it personal ... & your wrong too

Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.

I agree and I am also a Hatton fan

If Ricky wants to be a great he has to take these fights - he was soundly beaten. Ok the ref did him no favours but he was outclassed simple as that.

If they fought at 140 it may be a closer fight but I still see same outcome - but would be there at Wembley if it came off

He was kayoed convincingly. Judah and Boldomir went distance . Didn't Corley go distance too ? can't remember weight for that one

Originally Posted by CGM

Originally Posted by bambamdaddio

OK bud, here goes, for starters Floyd WILL always beat Hatton, but would have a tougher time at lite welter why ... its dead simple,

Because the mental attitude Hatton develops at lite welter is a million miles away from the one he has at welter.....

Why?

Because Hatton has to train like a b*****d to get down to that weight, & everything has to be spot on A plus or he cant make the weight ... no odd pints of guiness or meat pies...he trains to such an extent that he becomes sharper and less sluggish, he becomes lean as fk, strong mean & hard because of what he has had to go thru....at lite welter he cant cut one corner ... not one ...but he can at welter & has in the past ...

He would still get beat by Floyd at this weight ... but dont make the mistake of thinking this would be exactly the same because it wouldnt, yes he would still prob lose, but you sure as hell would see a different fight from Hatton at LW....

& for the record Im a massive fan of both & picked Hatton to get stopped after 8 rounds in there previous dust up at Welter...

OK, so Hatton is a little sharper at JWW. From what I have seen, so is Mayweather.

Exactly thats what I said .. he would still lose but you would see a better Hatton thats all I was saying & he is more sluggish at Welter both mentally & physically...