Thread: best p4p

In my opinion pacman is not the best p4p and joe calzaghe is. I have spoken to others about this some who agree some who think pacman is better but how can calzaghe prove he is the best? There is no one left for him to fight except possible a rematch with hopkins.

pacquiao
Calzaghe
Hopkins/Juan Manuel Marquez

How about Chadd Dawson?

And Pac-man is #1, because he has clearly faced better competition.

A pretty crappy post, but I'll help you out because I am a generous poster.

There is no comparison. Pacman is p4p #1 without any doubt whatsoever.

In one year, Pacman beat Barrera at 130, Marquez at 130, Diaz at 135, and Oscar De La Hoya at 147.

Pacman started his career at 109!!! He just destroyed a first ballot hall of famer at 147!

Boxing pundits are putting him in the same conversation as Henry Armstrong. Not equating him, but to be mentioned in the same paragraph is credit enough.

Calzaghe could add to his legacy by facing Chad Dawson.

IF Calzaghe beat Dawson at 175 before Pacman fights Hatton, you can arguably make that claim. But, if Pacman beats Hatton at 140 to become a champion at junior welter weight, then at time or another he has been champion of 7 weight classes! That is just plain ridiculous. Lunacy really.

Its a toss up for me after Saturday . I might have to still rank Calzaghe as number 1 cuz if they met my money would be on Joe and hes had the better career having beaten every man he has ever faced

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

A pretty crappy post, but I'll help you out because I am a generous poster.

There is no comparison. Pacman is p4p #1 without any doubt whatsoever.

In one year, Pacman beat Barrera at 130, Marquez at 130, Diaz at 135, and Oscar De La Hoya at 147.

Pacman started his career at 109!!! He just destroyed a first ballot hall of famer at 147!

Boxing pundits are putting him in the same conversation as Henry Armstrong. Not equating him, but to be mentioned in the same paragraph is credit enough.

Calzaghe could add to his legacy by facing Chad Dawson.

IF Calzaghe beat Dawson at 175 before Pacman fights Hatton, you can arguably make that claim. But, if Pacman beats Hatton at 140 to become a champion at junior welter weight, then at time or another he has been champion of 7 weight classes! That is just plain ridiculous. Lunacy really.

Thank Goodness you were here to assist with your generosity

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

A pretty crappy post, but I'll help you out because I am a generous poster.

There is no comparison. Pacman is p4p #1 without any doubt whatsoever.

In one year, Pacman beat Barrera at 130, Marquez at 130, Diaz at 135, and Oscar De La Hoya at 147.

Pacman started his career at 109!!! He just destroyed a first ballot hall of famer at 147!

Boxing pundits are putting him in the same conversation as Henry Armstrong. Not equating him, but to be mentioned in the same paragraph is credit enough.

Calzaghe could add to his legacy by facing Chad Dawson.

IF Calzaghe beat Dawson at 175 before Pacman fights Hatton, you can arguably make that claim. But, if Pacman beats Hatton at 140 to become a champion at junior welter weight, then at time or another he has been champion of 7 weight classes! That is just plain ridiculous. Lunacy really.

Thank Goodness you were here to assist with your generosity

Cheers. I was trying to help dude out without being too harsh. The post was clearly idiodic.

The fact it is hard for Joe to become P4P number 1 can be attributed a lot to the fact that it took so long for him to fight tough opposition. I mean if he'd fought and beat younger versions of RJJ and BHOP then i think he'd be number 1 now. Instead he was rematching Veit and the like.

I agree there isnt the talent around between 160 and 175 at the moment to really help Joes legacy but 5-10 years ago there was plenty.
Younger RJJ
Younger BHOP
Darius Michalzcewski
Younger Tarver
Younger Glen Johnson
to name a few.
I think Joe has the talent, work ethic and desire to be the P4P king but it wont happen because he has left his run too late.

Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

How about Chadd Dawson?

Dawson.....

How does Dawson or should I say what has Dawson done to be considered above Israel Vazquez, JMM, Caballero, Hatton etc...

Wins over Tarver at this stage mean nothing...(Truth is other then wins over a shot Jones and 1 win over Johnson Tarver is shit)

He has a hard fought win over Johnson many disputed and 1 over Adamek which is his best to date...

I like Dawson and he is a good fighter but he needs to put in more work before he gets the nod over others like ones I mentioned

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

How about Chadd Dawson?

Dawson.....

How does Dawson or should I say what has Dawson done to be considered above Israel Vazquez, JMM, Caballero, Hatton etc...

Wins over Tarver at this stage mean nothing...(Truth is other then wins over a shot Jones and 1 win over Johnson Tarver is shit)

He has a hard fought win over Johnson many disputed and 1 over Adamek which is his best to date...

I like Dawson and he is a good fighter but he needs to put in more work before he gets the nod over others like ones I mentioned

I think he meant possible fights for Joe Calzaghe to be P4P number 1.

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

How about Chadd Dawson?

Dawson.....

How does Dawson or should I say what has Dawson done to be considered above Israel Vazquez, JMM, Caballero, Hatton etc...

Wins over Tarver at this stage mean nothing...(Truth is other then wins over a shot Jones and 1 win over Johnson Tarver is shit)

He has a hard fought win over Johnson many disputed and 1 over Adamek which is his best to date...

I like Dawson and he is a good fighter but he needs to put in more work before he gets the nod over others like ones I mentioned

I think he meant possible fights for Joe Calzaghe to be P4P number 1.

If so my mistake

joe can still fight;pavliktaylorchadbhop againbut honestly even if he wins all four pac continues to fight the best joe still comes out short. Its just joes luck THE LEGEND OF THE PACMAN overshadows him

Honestly, I don't think there is anyone Joe can fight that would make him #1 pound for pound. A win against Dawson would just solidify Joe the best in the weightclass but nothing more. Joe could've had a better chance to hit the P4P top spot had he fought Jones and Hopkins earlier in his career.

I really don't see anyone not having Pacquiao as the best P4P fighter in the world. This weekend just threw away all doubts. He's beating the best names possible, moving up in weight, getting better and more dominant each fight, and still looking to fight the big fights. With that in mind, I think there's little one can do to outshine that except be close to Manny's weightclass, set up a fight, then take him off the top spot by beating him.

Joe does have less options but I don't see anything coming along that can propel him to the top spot unless Manny loses in an embarrassing way.

Originally Posted by rickcuthbert

In my opinion pacman is not the best p4p and joe calzaghe is. I have spoken to others about this some who agree some who think pacman is better but how can calzaghe prove he is the best? There is no one left for him to fight except possible a rematch with hopkins.

Fights for Joe Calzaghe ?

Chad Dawson
Lucian Bute
Jermain Taylor
Carl Froch
Bernard Hopkins 2