Thread: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

I am a JMM fan and I'm hoping that JMM would be able to really counter Mayweather the way he had countered Pac.

I'm currently watching the fights of Mayweather right now especially his fights with Hatton and DLH. Against DLH, Mayweather seems to have a problem with DLH's jabs. Weight drained or not, those jabs didn't bother Pac at all.

If JMM was able to counter Pac really well, then against PBF, he has a chance of countering PBF. Pac has an unorthodox style (aside from being too fast). I guess this is the reason why BArrera, Morales, HAtton and DLH ultimately could not handle Pac. But this could not be said with JMM. JMM was able to counter Pac despite his unorthodox style. I'm wondering now if PBF's shoulder roll and defense would be effective against a great counter puncher.

Against HAtton, Mayweather seems to have a problem with HAtton's aggressiveness. Hatton was really doing well against PBF. ASide from the late TKo, I really believe HAtton was doing well against Mayweather despite the fact that he was also not moving his head. Mayweather, hardly took advantage of it. Hatton was doing the same thing against pac. He was also not moving his head and he was bullying Pac but it proved to be fatal for him.

LAstly, Pac knocked down JMM many times but he simply could not end him. If pac is too fast(against Diaz, Morales, BArrera), too strong (against HAtton) and accurate (against DLH) but still was ineffective against JMM, I wonder how MAyweather would handle JMM.

My forecast for this fight: SPLIT decision that could go to JMM's favor.

It's an interesting fight and I'm looking forward to it. I know it's boring to harp on about weight, but I do wonder how Marquez is going to carry almost 10 more pounds more weight. He seemed pretty filled out at 135 as it was.

I hope for a Marquez win, but my mind says Mayweather. I'm often wrong though and I hope I am again.

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

Originally Posted by Pavlik

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.

I think if they were equal size, which they almost are, I would say Mayweather's speed would play a larger factor, IMO Marquez being smaller is only an advantage for him because he will proportionally faster.

Also IMO Oscar's jab didn't trouble Mayweather that much, he really wasn't able to land it effectively all night, and Mayweather countered it plenty of times and landed his own jab more, and even though Marquez is a superior boxer to Oscar, he will never have a jab like Oscar's, not as hard(even p4p) not as long, not as accurate.

Marquez was able to counter Pacquiao because Pacquiao is out of position a lot, and MArquez is an extremely aggressive counter puncher, also he used a lot of footwork that really bothered Pacquiao, he really messed with Manny's distance which is of the greatest importance for Pacquiao to get off punches effectively.

I don't think Marquez will be weighing 10 more pounds than he ever has, he usually comes in slighly over 140, which is what Mayweather weighed when he fought at 135. I think their weights will be relatively similar, their size won't be drastically different. I am guessing Mayweather will weigh only as much more than Marquez as Pacquiao did in their second fight.

How did Mayweather hardly take advantage of Hatton's lack of head movement? How many flush right hands did he land? Or check left hooks? Hatton did alright, but he wasn't able to land anything, Mayweather defended against what he threw and countered off the ropes well. Obviously Manny beat Hatton faster, but Mayweather beat Hatton without losing a round as well. Regardless the most important fact of Mayweather vs Marquez and Pacquiao vs Marquez is that Mayweather gets off faster than Pacquiao, their speed might be even, and Pacquiao might be faster once he gets his punches going in combinations, but Mayweather gets off faster which means he can land a jab or right hand faster than Pacquiao can land anything, it might not be as hard, but it will get there faster, and Mayweather doesn't have to get out of position to deliver with that sort of speed whereas Pacquiao needs to sacrific balance to throw his punches which is what Marquez could capitalize on.

Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Originally Posted by Pavlik

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.

Castillo who might be as good of a body puncher as Cotto, was not able to get to Mayweather with body shots, but I agree its the only way to land effectively on Mayweather, however, I really doubt he will be running from Marquez, I think we expect a more Mayweather-G.Hernandez type performance on Mayweather's part. I certainly expect more combinations and offensive artillery.

Mayweather didn't lose a round to Hatton. I don't guess I was watching the same fight! Comparing Hatton to Marquez is like comparing fatty meat to USDA prime cut. Marquez is better than Hatton on all fronts, counter punching, speed, chin ect....

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Originally Posted by Pavlik

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.

Castillo who might be as good of a body puncher as Cotto, was not able to get to Mayweather with body shots, but I agree its the only way to land effectively on Mayweather, however, I really doubt he will be running from Marquez, I think we expect a more Mayweather-G.Hernandez type performance on Mayweather's part. I certainly expect more combinations and offensive artillery.

Castillo connected with body shots in the first fight no?

But he didn't hurt Mayweather with them, the only reason that fight was as down the wire as it was, was because Floyd badly hurt his left rotator cuff. Floyd clearly showed when he could jab for 12 rounds that Castillo wasn't as good as him. Marquez's style IMO will be easier for Floyd.

Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly.

save that comment for Pacquiao

Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.

Originally Posted by Pugilistic

Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.

Exactly!

The glaring thing I noticed since this fight was announced is a mirror image to what had to be a factor in Floyds mind about how he intends to dismantle JMM, which is Pac fans trying to build up JMM as they are doing it to will him on to defeat Mayweather so that way it will make Pacs EXTREMELY questionable draw and win look better if Marquez catches lightning in the bottle and defeats Mayweather.

In Floyds mind he will comprehensively beat JMM and use that in the Mayweather/Pac promotion to one up Pacquiao

Whoever says Marquez ability is on par with Mayweather is just ridiculous, whatever marquez can do Floyd can do better, just a simple fact. I welcome anyone to intellegintly argue that

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

Originally Posted by Pavlik

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.

Castillo who might be as good of a body puncher as Cotto, was not able to get to Mayweather with body shots, but I agree its the only way to land effectively on Mayweather, however, I really doubt he will be running from Marquez, I think we expect a more Mayweather-G.Hernandez type performance on Mayweather's part. I certainly expect more combinations and offensive artillery.

Castillo was all over PBF in their first fight. And YES he landed to the body often and hard. He out threw and outlanded him.

Mayweather will not bring the offense. He has not been a combination puncher since before the Gatti fight. He likes to slow the boxing down to an almost standstill. It's what make PBF fights so boring, and winnable for "the cash cow."

Definitely right about Floyd having some opponents who just abandoned their game plan after stepping through the ropes.

I would say Floyd has the advantage in speed but I think both are very accurate with maybe Marquez slightly getting the nod in that department. I just think the advantage Floyd gains from being at the higher weight and Floyd's superior defense will win the day. Marquez gets hit alot and Floyd has the speed and power to bother Juan. I say Floyd wins comfortably on points, maybe 5 points give or take.

You never know though, JMM comes to fight and is definitely going to have his moments here and there. I am looking forward to the fight.

Originally Posted by Pugilistic

Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.

marqs the heavier puncher and if he can carry his from from 126/135 into 147 he should have the faster hands.

Mayweather is the smarter and more precise fighter and boxing smarts more often than not get the better of raw aggression!