Thread: Does Bob Arum think we are that stupid?

Was just reading some quotes from the post fight press conference of the Clottey Cotto fight(by the way the judge that had it 114-113 Clottey gave him 5 of the last 6 rounds and Clottey only won by one point, let that sit for a bit) anyway.

Among some of Bob Arums quotes were this

I'll bold what I think is funny and why

on a rematch with Clottey

“We’re going to have to talk to the Cotto people,” said Arum. “He has a lot of options. I would like for him to fight Manny Pacquiao. That would be a tremendous fight, and I hope we can get it done for November.”

I bolded the Pacquiao thing for a reason. Because then he went on to critisize Mayweather for fighting Marquez

“Floyd has a fight coming up with Marquez, and then he’ll probably want to fight Calderon,” said Arum referring to Ivan Calderson, the 108-pound champion who also fought on the show. “Mayweather won’t fight anyone that can beat him. He will only fight someone who he thinks is not a danger. Psychologically, he cannot take defeat.”


Does Arum think we are actually that stupid as boxing fans that we'll buy him trying to sale a Cotto vs Pacquiao fight and yet try to put Mayweather down for fighting a smaller guy in the same press conference?



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Originally Posted by Majesty

Does Arum think we are actually that stupid as boxing fans that we'll buy him trying to sale a Cotto vs Pacquiao fight and yet try to put Mayweather down for fighting a smaller guy in the same press conference?

But Cotto has proven in the past that he's willing to fight big physical welters that other fighters avoid like Clottey, Margarito and Mosley. Floyd hasn't done the same.

Arum says a lot of idiotic things, but I don't see a problem with this one comment.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by Majesty

Does Arum think we are actually that stupid as boxing fans that we'll buy him trying to sale a Cotto vs Pacquiao fight and yet try to put Mayweather down for fighting a smaller guy in the same press conference?

But Cotto has proven in the past that he's willing to fight big physical welters that other fighters avoid like Clottey, Margarito and Mosley. Floyd hasn't done the same.

Arum says a lot of idiotic things, but I don't see a problem with this one comment.

Disagree with this Baldomir though trash was big; ODH was bigger at 154 than most of Cotto's opponents have been; Gatti although poor was bigger than Floyd! other than Marquez and Hatton Floyd has been smaller than most of his opponents.

Arum is right. Btw, It was Calderon himself who said he wants to fight Floyd next because he loves to pick on small fighters. Arum was just kinda repeating what Calderon said.

...perhaps and this is just a guess mind you. Perhaps Arum was goading Floyd because PBF has ALWAYS been in Bob Arum/Top Rank/Miguel Cotto's crosshair's.

I think a Cotto-Pacquiao fight would be bad for Manny because unlike Ricky, Miguel has done well with southpaws AND Miguel is not totally shot and he's just plain not afraid to get hit.

Originally Posted by piye

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by Majesty

Does Arum think we are actually that stupid as boxing fans that we'll buy him trying to sale a Cotto vs Pacquiao fight and yet try to put Mayweather down for fighting a smaller guy in the same press conference?

But Cotto has proven in the past that he's willing to fight big physical welters that other fighters avoid like Clottey, Margarito and Mosley. Floyd hasn't done the same.

Arum says a lot of idiotic things, but I don't see a problem with this one comment.

Disagree with this Baldomir though trash was big; ODH was bigger at 154 than most of Cotto's opponents have been; Gatti although poor was bigger than Floyd! other than Marquez and Hatton Floyd has been smaller than most of his opponents.

Of those mentioned, ODLH is the only opponent that was bigger than Floyd. Baldomir wasn't the bigger man. Floyd had almost 2 inches in height on him and 4 inches in reach. Gatti wasn't bigger than Floyd either - Floyd was taller and had more reach than Gatti. Since he has been at 147, he has fought ODLH and Hatton and now Marquez.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by piye

Originally Posted by SweetPea

But Cotto has proven in the past that he's willing to fight big physical welters that other fighters avoid like Clottey, Margarito and Mosley. Floyd hasn't done the same.

Arum says a lot of idiotic things, but I don't see a problem with this one comment.

Disagree with this Baldomir though trash was big; ODH was bigger at 154 than most of Cotto's opponents have been; Gatti although poor was bigger than Floyd! other than Marquez and Hatton Floyd has been smaller than most of his opponents.

Of those mentioned, ODLH is the only opponent that was bigger than Floyd. Baldomir wasn't the bigger man. Floyd had almost 2 inches in height on him and 4 inches in reach. Gatti wasn't bigger than Floyd either - Floyd was taller and had more reach than Gatti. Since he has been at 147, he has fought ODLH and Hatton and now Marquez.

he fought also fought judah and mitchell. and to the person who said baldomir wasn't bigger..yes he was..baldomir had already had 5 or 6 fights at 154 before he fought floyd and came in the ring 10 pounds heavier than floyd.

And to what advantage did that extra weight serve Baldomir More power? Strength Stamina I didn't see any advantage.....I mean Monte Barrett destroyed Tye Fields and Ray Mercer just walloped Tim Sylvia and Monte and Ray were the smaller guys.....at some point TALENT plays a role.

Who has fought the more talents fighters? Floyd has had every opportunity to fight anyone he wanted to but has he taken advantage SURE He's taken advantage of fighting the Sharmba Mitchell's, Arturo Gatti's, and the Carlos Baldomir's of 147 and the surrounding divisions

Originally Posted by piye

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by Majesty

Does Arum think we are actually that stupid as boxing fans that we'll buy him trying to sale a Cotto vs Pacquiao fight and yet try to put Mayweather down for fighting a smaller guy in the same press conference?

But Cotto has proven in the past that he's willing to fight big physical welters that other fighters avoid like Clottey, Margarito and Mosley. Floyd hasn't done the same.

Arum says a lot of idiotic things, but I don't see a problem with this one comment.

Disagree with this Baldomir though trash was big; ODH was bigger at 154 than most of Cotto's opponents have been; Gatti although poor was bigger than Floyd! other than Marquez and Hatton Floyd has been smaller than most of his opponents.

Besides height and reach how was Hatton smaller than Mayweather? He was heavier, stronger and started at a much higher weight class, not to mention that in his first fight at WW he weighed in at 160.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by piye

Originally Posted by SweetPea

But Cotto has proven in the past that he's willing to fight big physical welters that other fighters avoid like Clottey, Margarito and Mosley. Floyd hasn't done the same.

Arum says a lot of idiotic things, but I don't see a problem with this one comment.

Disagree with this Baldomir though trash was big; ODH was bigger at 154 than most of Cotto's opponents have been; Gatti although poor was bigger than Floyd! other than Marquez and Hatton Floyd has been smaller than most of his opponents.

Besides height and reach how was Hatton smaller than Mayweather? He was heavier, stronger and started at a much higher weight class, not to mention that in his first fight at WW he weighed in at 160.

Height and reach, first and foremost. Second, Hatton was a career 140 man. Mayweather started at a lighter weight but was fighting at 147 when he fought Hatton. Honestly, I've never heard anyone argue that Hatton was a bigger man than Mayweather. It sure didn't look that way in the ring. And if that is the case, he must have been a goliath compared with Pacquiao.

Does Bob Arum think we are that stupid? yes!

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by Taeth

Originally Posted by piye

Disagree with this Baldomir though trash was big; ODH was bigger at 154 than most of Cotto's opponents have been; Gatti although poor was bigger than Floyd! other than Marquez and Hatton Floyd has been smaller than most of his opponents.

Besides height and reach how was Hatton smaller than Mayweather? He was heavier, stronger and started at a much higher weight class, not to mention that in his first fight at WW he weighed in at 160.

Height and reach, first and foremost. Second, Hatton was a career 140 man. Mayweather started at a lighter weight but was fighting at 147 when he fought Hatton. Honestly, I've never heard anyone argue that Hatton was a bigger man than Mayweather. It sure didn't look that way in the ring. And if that is the case, he must have been a goliath compared with Pacquiao.

Paul Williams has a significant reach & height advantage over Mike Tyson, who's the bigger man? I thought Hatton did look bigger than Mayweather in the ring, he certainly looked more muscled, the difference with the Pac fight was Hatton looked far more skeletal than usual on the scales the previous night & didn't look to have re-hydrated as well as he had after the PBF weigh-in.

The only threat to Floyd Mayweather IMO is Paul Williams at 154, I think he beats any fighter 140-154 and I still think he could beat Paul Williams as well. Cotto and Pacquiao would lose to Floyd Mayweather, mark my words he is an outstanding fighter and I can actually never see him losing.

Originally Posted by Majesty

Does Arum think we are actually that stupid as boxing fans that we'll buy him trying to sale a Cotto vs Pacquiao fight and yet try to put Mayweather down for fighting a smaller guy in the same press conference?

Yeah but the difference is that Pacquiao has a much a better chance of beating Cotto than JMM does Floyd. In fact on the 'Pac Calls out Cotto' thread pretty much everyone thinks Pac would beat Cotto.

the cotto i've seen since margarito would get beat by pac-man.......if miquel turns up as the same fighter who beat judah to mosley then pac would be in truble, but i think that cotto maybe, just maybe gone