Thread: Molitor fight (spoiler)

I know no one cares, but whatever.

Molitor stopped his opponent, Dario Azuaga (75-16-2, 64 KOS), in the fifth round. Hopefully he can get some confidence back. I thought he looked very shaky in his first fight back from the Caballero fight. I know absolutely nothing about Azuaga, but I'm assuming he's a mediocre fighter at best.

I didn't want to open this but did anyway. About what I expected. Geebus 75 fights, that's a shit ton. Maybe not for a complete tomato can, but with only 16 of them losses that ain't so bad, but a lot of mileage.

Geez, got that wrong, the dude had 92 fights. ha

Well here is the link for those that want it.

Boxing : Rumble at Rama IX

I watched the fight on a stream. I thought Molitor looked sharp. He had the guy down a few times before the stoppage.

Molitor has reunited with his original trainer, which I think is the best move for him. He just didn't look the same after they split.

Dario Azuaga (75-16-2, 64 KOS), is horrible, simply horrible.

Originally Posted by holmcall

Dario Azuaga (75-16-2, 64 KOS), is horrible, simply horrible.

Obviously. It was a hand-picked gimme fight, no one is saying otherwise. Well, he was actually a last-minute replacement for the hand-picked gimme fight, but it's basically the same thing.

“El Indio”: The Record behind the Record
　
The issue of deceptive records is a global phenomenon as well. As one of a multitude of examples, let’s look at the interesting record of Feliciano “El Indio de Oro” Ledezma who fights out of Paraguay. This bantam weight has an eye popping slate of 72 (KO 61) - 12 (KO - in 88 outings. Ledezma has a chill factor (“excitement factor”) of 78%. He gets you or you get him. The problem is that with almost mathematical certainty, he gets “gotten” when he steps up, and does the “getting” when he steps down.
　
El Indio was KOd by Simphiwe Nongqayi in August 2007 in a bid for the WBF super flyweight title. He has since won three fights, all by knockouts. Two were over Walter “El Coyote” Satler, now 0-7. In fact, of the Coyote’s seven career defeats, four have come at the hands of “El Indio.” The combined record of his last three opponents is 0-32. Ledezma has also taken a liking to Arnaldo “Polvorita” Orrabalis, also from Paraguay. Ledezma has beaten Polvorita, 2-23-2, seven times. He also stopped Argentineans Enrique “Chirolita” Ocampo, 0-27 (KO 17)-2, twice. El Indio also found time to dispatch the Brazilian Jose Carlos Amaral twice. Jose, fighting since 1993, currently has a record of 1-52 with 29 losses coming by way of knockout. That’s 1-52!

However, when Ledezma fights better opposition, he gets into big time trouble. Tough “Rocky” Medina, 30-1, iced him twice. In fact, the last time he beat a fighter with a winning record was in December 2003 when he KOd Erich “Chispita” Franco, then 14-8-1. In 2002, he stopped Julio Cesar Garibaldi, 1-0. In 2001, he beat Bolivian “Sugar” Castro, 4-2-3. In 2000, he stopped Argentinean Julio “Clerico” Oliva in 25 seconds of the first round. Maybe his career best came in a SD loss to Argentinean Juan Domingo “Panza” Cordoba, 33-5-3 in a 2001 fight held in Mendoza, Argentina. Ledezma was 49-1-2 coming in. On March 15, 2008, he again down and stopped Basilio “El Mono” Mendiola in the second round. It was his fourth win over the hapless “El Mono” who now has an alarming record of 0-20 (KO 1. But then on May 9, 2008, he stepped up against Franklin Teran, 25-2, and was stopped in the 4rth round in Galicia, Spain.

Point: Don't take too much from Steve's win. It was a walk over.

Originally Posted by holmcall

“El Indio”: The Record behind the Record
　
The issue of deceptive records is a global phenomenon as well. As one of a multitude of examples, let’s look at the interesting record of Feliciano “El Indio de Oro” Ledezma who fights out of Paraguay. This bantam weight has an eye popping slate of 72 (KO 61) - 12 (KO - in 88 outings. Ledezma has a chill factor (“excitement factor”) of 78%. He gets you or you get him. The problem is that with almost mathematical certainty, he gets “gotten” when he steps up, and does the “getting” when he steps down.
　
El Indio was KOd by Simphiwe Nongqayi in August 2007 in a bid for the WBF super flyweight title. He has since won three fights, all by knockouts. Two were over Walter “El Coyote” Satler, now 0-7. In fact, of the Coyote’s seven career defeats, four have come at the hands of “El Indio.” The combined record of his last three opponents is 0-32. Ledezma has also taken a liking to Arnaldo “Polvorita” Orrabalis, also from Paraguay. Ledezma has beaten Polvorita, 2-23-2, seven times. He also stopped Argentineans Enrique “Chirolita” Ocampo, 0-27 (KO 17)-2, twice. El Indio also found time to dispatch the Brazilian Jose Carlos Amaral twice. Jose, fighting since 1993, currently has a record of 1-52 with 29 losses coming by way of knockout. That’s 1-52!

However, when Ledezma fights better opposition, he gets into big time trouble. Tough “Rocky” Medina, 30-1, iced him twice. In fact, the last time he beat a fighter with a winning record was in December 2003 when he KOd Erich “Chispita” Franco, then 14-8-1. In 2002, he stopped Julio Cesar Garibaldi, 1-0. In 2001, he beat Bolivian “Sugar” Castro, 4-2-3. In 2000, he stopped Argentinean Julio “Clerico” Oliva in 25 seconds of the first round. Maybe his career best came in a SD loss to Argentinean Juan Domingo “Panza” Cordoba, 33-5-3 in a 2001 fight held in Mendoza, Argentina. Ledezma was 49-1-2 coming in. On March 15, 2008, he again down and stopped Basilio “El Mono” Mendiola in the second round. It was his fourth win over the hapless “El Mono” who now has an alarming record of 0-20 (KO 1. But then on May 9, 2008, he stepped up against Franklin Teran, 25-2, and was stopped in the 4rth round in Galicia, Spain.

Point: Don't take too much from Steve's win. It was a walk over.

I don't think anyone's throwing Molitor any bouquets for beating this guy, I'm watching the fight right now and I think that that a toddler could've put up a better fight than Azuaga.

I also want to add that the commentary by Russ Anber and whoever is doing the play by play is terrible and overtly biased. I normally like Anber as an analyst despite his obvious love of all things Canada, but it's really annoying me here.

One of the reasons I like Teddy Atlas so much is he calls fights like these for what they are and doesn't try to sell them as legitimate fights.

I also think that Molitor looks quite sloppy here given the quality of opposition, missing punches and demonstrating that he still has no inside game, even against a very weak opponent. He's also, as usual, lacking aggression IMO.

Yes, I know I'm basically talking to myself here...

lol holmcall. That does help explain the record. I made the first post thinking, hmmm, thats a lot of fights and not a bad record considering. Then I saw the guy.

I dont think Steve looked bad at all, but then again, not sure many could look bad against that dude. lol I might be losing respect Molitor. Cuz damn that guy was tomato can central. Not sure how he could build any confidence with that. I was embarrassed for him watching it.

To be fair, this guy wasn't hand picked, he was a last minute replacement, the original opponent has visa problems.

I think the purpose of the fight was to see what state Molitor's tactics, mechanics and mental grit were (plus of course getting paid and getting hometown exposure in a relatively safe enviroment)

In those aspects I offer my analysis.

Pros: He was putting his punches together, moving in and out well. He was also putting more intention in his shots. He scored 3 legit knocksdowns (although only 2 were scored).

Cons: His corner was telling him the right punch selection, but there was a long delay before he implemented the tactics. When he was jumping out he would often lean slightly forward and jump back while simultaneously dropping his left hand, I take issue with this because this is how Caballero caught him (as anyone with reach over him will) and he still hasn't fixed it.

Even though it looks like I have more cons than pros I though Molitor did good, but his next fight should be against someone with a better reach, I think he still will have problems with the elite. The good news is JuanMa, Caballero and Jhonny Gonzalez are all going to move up to Featherweight next year which represents by far his three greatest threats.

Steve Molitor does look really sharp but his opponant was just perfectly made for Molitor really.Molitor still has power,if not more.I guess it'll help him bounce straight back on good form with having a comfortable win like that.

P.S,i like his new tattoos!

As a Canadian fellow and because Molitor is a good guy, I do give a flying F He lost once to a much taller man with long reach and tremendous power but I still feel he has a lot of good boxing left inside, plus he's now with Stephane Larouche, one of our premiere coach in Canada, I am sure he'll get close to the top quite early.