Thread: Yea this proves how lackluster an opponent Diaz was...

so much on using David Diaz as a name on Pacquiao's record, he was lucky to get a gift decision against a shot Morales and well apparently another gift decision against a shot Jesus Chavez

Diaz returns from layoff to edge Chavez - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

Watched this earlier today. To be fair Diaz finished the stronger of the 2 fighters & had it been a 12 round fight I would have expected him to win, but Chavez to me just edged it 96-94, he just controlled too many of the early round. I can definitely see a 96-94 win for Diaz or a draw, but the 97-93 scorecard definitely smacks of a bit of hometown bias to me. But Diaz winning was no way a robbery, although a prime Chavez (not seen in about 7 or 8 years) would have had Diaz out of there early. Both guys need to retire

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

so much on using David Diaz as a name on Pacquiao's record, he was lucky to get a gift decision against a shot Morales and well apparently another gift decision against a shot Jesus Chavez

Diaz returns from layoff to edge Chavez - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.

The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?

I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!

Originally Posted by KananKrus

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

so much on using David Diaz as a name on Pacquiao's record, he was lucky to get a gift decision against a shot Morales and well apparently another gift decision against a shot Jesus Chavez

Diaz returns from layoff to edge Chavez - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.

The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?

I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!

triumphant return? he barely beat a shot fighter who was basically totally outclassed in his last fight against Katsidis and didn't listen to reason and retire, it was an extremely close fight as Jaz was saying and given the condition that Chavez is in now, that's not saying anything good for Diaz, he's garbage, and always has been garbage, any top 15 lightweight beats the shit out of him, how he is out of the ring has nothing to do with his abilities in the ring (which aren't many), it's brought up because while others are accused of cherry picking (Mayweather, Klitschko's, DLH, etc.), Pacquiao always is given an excuse (i say given cause it's usually not coming from him), 2 of his last 3 opponents have been cherry picked (a shot weight drained DLH, and the garbage that is David Diaz), and that's the point i'm making, now get off your high horse it has nothing to do with Morales, i don't bitch and make excuses for his losses, nor do i overhype wins, cause well lets face it, none of them need it

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KananKrus

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

so much on using David Diaz as a name on Pacquiao's record, he was lucky to get a gift decision against a shot Morales and well apparently another gift decision against a shot Jesus Chavez

Diaz returns from layoff to edge Chavez - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.

The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?

I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!

triumphant return? he barely beat a shot fighter who was basically totally outclassed in his last fight against Katsidis and didn't listen to reason and retire, it was an extremely close fight as Jaz was saying and given the condition that Chavez is in now, that's not saying anything good for Diaz, he's garbage, and always has been garbage, any top 15 lightweight beats the shit out of him, how he is out of the ring has nothing to do with his abilities in the ring (which aren't many), it's brought up because while others are accused of cherry picking (Mayweather, Klitschko's, DLH, etc.), Pacquiao always is given an excuse (i say given cause it's usually not coming from him), 2 of his last 3 opponents have been cherry picked (a shot weight drained DLH, and the garbage that is David Diaz), and that's the point i'm making, now get off your high horse it has nothing to do with Morales, i don't bitch and make excuses for his losses, nor do i overhype wins, cause well lets face it, none of them need it

It was Oscar De La Hoya that cherry picked Manny, not the other way around. Larry Merchant proposed the fight to Oscar and Oscar loving a big pay day thought he could beat the former flyweight champion. Let's not bullshit about that. In fact Oscar has a habit of making guys jump up 2 weight classes to fight him, see Shane Mosley. And since you brought out the weight draining process, he did the same to Bernard Hopkins.

Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KananKrus

Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.

The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?

I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!

triumphant return? he barely beat a shot fighter who was basically totally outclassed in his last fight against Katsidis and didn't listen to reason and retire, it was an extremely close fight as Jaz was saying and given the condition that Chavez is in now, that's not saying anything good for Diaz, he's garbage, and always has been garbage, any top 15 lightweight beats the shit out of him, how he is out of the ring has nothing to do with his abilities in the ring (which aren't many), it's brought up because while others are accused of cherry picking (Mayweather, Klitschko's, DLH, etc.), Pacquiao always is given an excuse (i say given cause it's usually not coming from him), 2 of his last 3 opponents have been cherry picked (a shot weight drained DLH, and the garbage that is David Diaz), and that's the point i'm making, now get off your high horse it has nothing to do with Morales, i don't bitch and make excuses for his losses, nor do i overhype wins, cause well lets face it, none of them need it

It was Oscar De La Hoya that cherry picked Manny, not the other way around. Larry Merchant proposed the fight to Oscar and Oscar loving a big pay day thought he could beat the former flyweight champion. Let's not bullshit about that. In fact Oscar has a habit of making guys jump up 2 weight classes to fight him, see Shane Mosley. And since you brought out the weight draining process, he did the same to Bernard Hopkins.

Please... Hopkins walked around in shape close to 160 anyway... he had to lose something like 3 pounds? Oscar ended up coming down the best part of 10 pounds... so the two don't really compare for starters.

But whether it was 10 pounds or 3 pounds doesn't really matter - just because one fighter did one thing it doesn't make it a get out of jail free card for another fighter to do the same thing and have no questions asked...

ODLH may have nudged pacman to fight, but it was roach who set a weight and took it knowing that ODLH probably wouldn't be able to cut down to it, if he thought oscar would have been a threat at 147 then he would have asked for the fight to take place at 144-143 or something (why do you think they were happy to take Oscar at 147 but not Mosely or Cotto?...)

Originally Posted by AdamGB

Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

triumphant return? he barely beat a shot fighter who was basically totally outclassed in his last fight against Katsidis and didn't listen to reason and retire, it was an extremely close fight as Jaz was saying and given the condition that Chavez is in now, that's not saying anything good for Diaz, he's garbage, and always has been garbage, any top 15 lightweight beats the shit out of him, how he is out of the ring has nothing to do with his abilities in the ring (which aren't many), it's brought up because while others are accused of cherry picking (Mayweather, Klitschko's, DLH, etc.), Pacquiao always is given an excuse (i say given cause it's usually not coming from him), 2 of his last 3 opponents have been cherry picked (a shot weight drained DLH, and the garbage that is David Diaz), and that's the point i'm making, now get off your high horse it has nothing to do with Morales, i don't bitch and make excuses for his losses, nor do i overhype wins, cause well lets face it, none of them need it

It was Oscar De La Hoya that cherry picked Manny, not the other way around. Larry Merchant proposed the fight to Oscar and Oscar loving a big pay day thought he could beat the former flyweight champion. Let's not bullshit about that. In fact Oscar has a habit of making guys jump up 2 weight classes to fight him, see Shane Mosley. And since you brought out the weight draining process, he did the same to Bernard Hopkins.

Please... Hopkins walked around in shape close to 160 anyway... he had to lose something like 3 pounds? Oscar ended up coming down the best part of 10 pounds... so the two don't really compare for starters.

But whether it was 10 pounds or 3 pounds doesn't really matter - just because one fighter did one thing it doesn't make it a get out of jail free card for another fighter to do the same thing and have no questions asked...

ODLH may have nudged pacman to fight, but it was roach who set a weight and took it knowing that ODLH probably wouldn't be able to cut down to it, if he thought oscar would have been a threat at 147 then he would have asked for the fight to take place at 144-143 or something (why do you think they were happy to take Oscar at 147 but not Mosely or Cotto?...)

147 is the correct weight to fight, what you expect Pac to fight at 154? lol
Name me 1 time in boxing history where a guy jumps 3 weight classes? It hasn't happened. If you guys complained about catchweights then complained about all of them, don't pick and choose which one to b-itch about. And I've said before it was De La Hoya that called out Pac, in a proposed bout by Larry Merchant.

Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KananKrus

Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.

The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?

I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!

triumphant return? he barely beat a shot fighter who was basically totally outclassed in his last fight against Katsidis and didn't listen to reason and retire, it was an extremely close fight as Jaz was saying and given the condition that Chavez is in now, that's not saying anything good for Diaz, he's garbage, and always has been garbage, any top 15 lightweight beats the shit out of him, how he is out of the ring has nothing to do with his abilities in the ring (which aren't many), it's brought up because while others are accused of cherry picking (Mayweather, Klitschko's, DLH, etc.), Pacquiao always is given an excuse (i say given cause it's usually not coming from him), 2 of his last 3 opponents have been cherry picked (a shot weight drained DLH, and the garbage that is David Diaz), and that's the point i'm making, now get off your high horse it has nothing to do with Morales, i don't bitch and make excuses for his losses, nor do i overhype wins, cause well lets face it, none of them need it

It was Oscar De La Hoya that cherry picked Manny, not the other way around. Larry Merchant proposed the fight to Oscar and Oscar loving a big pay day thought he could beat the former flyweight champion. Let's not bullshit about that. In fact Oscar has a habit of making guys jump up 2 weight classes to fight him, see Shane Mosley. And since you brought out the weight draining process, he did the same to Bernard Hopkins.

DLH didn't make Hopkins go to Jr. Middle, nor did he take him on when he was shot or faded, cause up till today he's still not shot and one of the best 5 p4p fighters in the world, dude Roach himself says that DLH was a cherry picked opponent

Yeah, Roach is on record as saying that he knew ODLH would be physically shot at the weight and when he noticed the IVF scars at the weigh in this was confirmed to him as correct.

Originally Posted by KananKrus

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

so much on using David Diaz as a name on Pacquiao's record, he was lucky to get a gift decision against a shot Morales and well apparently another gift decision against a shot Jesus Chavez

Diaz returns from layoff to edge Chavez - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

Move on man, stop the hating already! It has been a few years that have gone by, no use getting stuck with that garbage. I'm sure even the real El Teribble, Erik Morales, have already have moved on too. It does not reflect positively on you if these keeps on.

The news is about David diaz' triumphant return, why rain on his parade and drag other names to fuel whatever fires or agendas you want to flare?

I am happy for David Diaz. He is a Chicago man. Some acquaintances and friends, swear by how level-headed and an overall good guy the man really is! Focus on the negatives... one way or another, you'd surely lose out. Move on, Man!

So basically, as we learn new things about a fighter, we aren't allowed to objectivly look at what this means in terms of their crediblity just incase it might slightly undermine a fighter that you like?

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

so much on using David Diaz as a name on Pacquiao's record, he was lucky to get a gift decision against a shot Morales and well apparently another gift decision against a shot Jesus Chavez

Diaz returns from layoff to edge Chavez - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports

so sad but yet so funny

Diaz was a very durable opponent he took ten rounds of punishment much more than Hatton did.

And to be honest him struggling with lesser fighters now is probably a result of that taking a beating like he did takes a lot out of a fighter.

Originally Posted by piye

Diaz was a very durable opponent he took ten rounds of punishment much more than Hatton did.

And to be honest him struggling with lesser fighters now is probably a result of that taking a beating like he did takes a lot out of a fighter.

all i gotta say to disprove that is Ramon Montano