Thread: Floyd-Pacquiao advantages/disadvantages

Here's my breakdown of the advantages/disadvantages for each boxer:

.......................Size - Floyd
..............Skills/Style - Floyd
...................Weight - Floyd
....................Reach - Floyd
...........Height/Taller - Floyd
................Accuracy - Floyd

.......................Age - Pacquiao
....................Power - Pacquiao
................Workrate - Pacquiao
Quality of Opponents - Pacquiao
.......Ring Experience - Pacquiao
.....................Heart - Pacquiao
....... Recent activity - Pacquiao

....................Speed - EVEN
.......Ring Generalship - EVEN
..................Stamina - EVEN
.......................Chin - EVEN
.........Corner/Trainer - EVEN


Discuss...

Originally Posted by fanjohn

Here's my breakdown of the advantages/disadvantages for each boxer:

.......................Size - Floyd
..............Skills/Style - Floyd
...................Weight - Floyd
....................Reach - Floyd
...........Height/Taller - Floyd
................Accuracy - Floyd

.......................Age - Pacquiao
....................Power - Pacquiao
................Workrate - Pacquiao
Quality of Opponents - Pacquiao
.......Ring Experience - Pacquiao
.....................Heart - Pacquiao
....... Recent activity - Pacquiao

....................Speed - EVEN
.......Ring Generalship - EVEN
..................Stamina - EVEN
.......................Chin - EVEN
.........Corner/Trainer - EVEN


Discuss...

defense goes to Floyd as well, so does less wear and tear

as far as quality of opponents i dunno

Mayweather has:

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Emanuel Agustus
Diego Corrales (when he was undefeated)
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo (twice)
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir (say what you will, he was the lineal champ)
Oscar De La Hoya (at 154)
Ricky Hatton (at 147)
Juan Manuel Marquez (jumped 2 divisions, while being lineal champ at 135)

Pacquiao has:

Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
Agapito Sanchez
Emmanuel Lucero
Marco Antonio Barrera (twice)
Erik Morales (1 loss, 2 wins)
Juan Manuel Marquez (1 draw, 1 win)
Oscar Larios (came up 2 divisions after a bad TKO Loss)
David Diaz
Oscar De La Hoya (at 147)
Ricky Hatton (at 140, Hatton's "best" weight)
Miguel Cotto (at 145 catchweight, IMO Pacquiao's best win)

all in all i'd actually say that they're about even in quality, given the big names, and when they took them on

Anyone who thinks that you can measure a fighter on paper like this, is under some serious illusions. Heart? How are you supposed to measure/compare someone's will to win when the fight has not even been scheduled?

Originally Posted by TheBranMan

Anyone who thinks that you can measure a fighter on paper like this, is under some serious illusions. Heart? How are you supposed to measure/compare someone's will to win when the fight has not even been scheduled?

If you took that approach to everything, then we wouldn't have much to talk about on here would be

Originally Posted by BIG H

Originally Posted by TheBranMan

Anyone who thinks that you can measure a fighter on paper like this, is under some serious illusions. Heart? How are you supposed to measure/compare someone's will to win when the fight has not even been scheduled?

If you took that approach to everything, then we wouldn't have much to talk about on here would be

You have a very good point. Although mine still stands, some traits are easier to contrast (and comprehend) than others.

Originally Posted by TheBranMan

Anyone who thinks that you can measure a fighter on paper like this, is under some serious illusions. Heart? How are you supposed to measure/compare someone's will to win when the fight has not even been scheduled?

You can base it or try to measure it from their previous fights.

Originally Posted by TheBranMan

Anyone who thinks that you can measure a fighter on paper like this, is under some serious illusions. Heart? How are you supposed to measure/compare someone's will to win when the fight has not even been scheduled?

Bookies do it all the time. It's very common.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by fanjohn

Here's my breakdown of the advantages/disadvantages for each boxer:

.......................Size - Floyd
..............Skills/Style - Floyd
...................Weight - Floyd
....................Reach - Floyd
...........Height/Taller - Floyd
................Accuracy - Floyd

.......................Age - Pacquiao
....................Power - Pacquiao
................Workrate - Pacquiao
Quality of Opponents - Pacquiao
.......Ring Experience - Pacquiao
.....................Heart - Pacquiao
....... Recent activity - Pacquiao

....................Speed - EVEN
.......Ring Generalship - EVEN
..................Stamina - EVEN
.......................Chin - EVEN
.........Corner/Trainer - EVEN


Discuss...

defense goes to Floyd as well, so does less wear and tear

as far as quality of opponents i dunno

Mayweather has:

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Emanuel Agustus
Diego Corrales (when he was undefeated)
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo (twice)
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir (say what you will, he was the lineal champ)
Oscar De La Hoya (at 154)
Ricky Hatton (at 147)
Juan Manuel Marquez (jumped 2 divisions, while being lineal champ at 135)

Pacquiao has:

Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
Agapito Sanchez
Emmanuel Lucero
Marco Antonio Barrera (twice)
Erik Morales (1 loss, 2 wins)
Juan Manuel Marquez (1 draw, 1 win)
Oscar Larios (came up 2 divisions after a bad TKO Loss)
David Diaz
Oscar De La Hoya (at 147)
Ricky Hatton (at 140, Hatton's "best" weight)
Miguel Cotto (at 145 catchweight, IMO Pacquiao's best win)

all in all i'd actually say that they're about even in quality, given the big names, and when they took them on

I forgot about "Defense" and sure it goes to Floyd. We might as well include "Offense" which goes to Pacquiao. One thing that makes this fight very interesting since we have a defensive genius at one end and a well-oiled offensive machine on the other end.

I can accept that "quality of opponents" might be EVEN.

Originally Posted by fanjohn

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by fanjohn

Here's my breakdown of the advantages/disadvantages for each boxer:

.......................Size - Floyd
..............Skills/Style - Floyd
...................Weight - Floyd
....................Reach - Floyd
...........Height/Taller - Floyd
................Accuracy - Floyd

.......................Age - Pacquiao
....................Power - Pacquiao
................Workrate - Pacquiao
Quality of Opponents - Pacquiao
.......Ring Experience - Pacquiao
.....................Heart - Pacquiao
....... Recent activity - Pacquiao

....................Speed - EVEN
.......Ring Generalship - EVEN
..................Stamina - EVEN
.......................Chin - EVEN
.........Corner/Trainer - EVEN


Discuss...

defense goes to Floyd as well, so does less wear and tear

as far as quality of opponents i dunno

Mayweather has:

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Emanuel Agustus
Diego Corrales (when he was undefeated)
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo (twice)
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir (say what you will, he was the lineal champ)
Oscar De La Hoya (at 154)
Ricky Hatton (at 147)
Juan Manuel Marquez (jumped 2 divisions, while being lineal champ at 135)

Pacquiao has:

Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
Agapito Sanchez
Emmanuel Lucero
Marco Antonio Barrera (twice)
Erik Morales (1 loss, 2 wins)
Juan Manuel Marquez (1 draw, 1 win)
Oscar Larios (came up 2 divisions after a bad TKO Loss)
David Diaz
Oscar De La Hoya (at 147)
Ricky Hatton (at 140, Hatton's "best" weight)
Miguel Cotto (at 145 catchweight, IMO Pacquiao's best win)

all in all i'd actually say that they're about even in quality, given the big names, and when they took them on

I forgot about "Defense" and sure it goes to Floyd. We might as well include "Offense" which goes to Pacquiao. One thing that makes this fight very interesting since we have a defensive genius at one end and a well-oiled offensive machine on the other end.

I can accept that "quality of opponents" might be EVEN.

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that, seeing how he basically lunges in and puts all of his body weight/force into his shots

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by fanjohn

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

defense goes to Floyd as well, so does less wear and tear

as far as quality of opponents i dunno

Mayweather has:

Genaro Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Emanuel Agustus
Diego Corrales (when he was undefeated)
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Jose Luis Castillo (twice)
DeMarcus Corley
Arturo Gatti
Zab Judah
Carlos Baldomir (say what you will, he was the lineal champ)
Oscar De La Hoya (at 154)
Ricky Hatton (at 147)
Juan Manuel Marquez (jumped 2 divisions, while being lineal champ at 135)

Pacquiao has:

Lehlohonolo Ledwaba
Agapito Sanchez
Emmanuel Lucero
Marco Antonio Barrera (twice)
Erik Morales (1 loss, 2 wins)
Juan Manuel Marquez (1 draw, 1 win)
Oscar Larios (came up 2 divisions after a bad TKO Loss)
David Diaz
Oscar De La Hoya (at 147)
Ricky Hatton (at 140, Hatton's "best" weight)
Miguel Cotto (at 145 catchweight, IMO Pacquiao's best win)

all in all i'd actually say that they're about even in quality, given the big names, and when they took them on

I forgot about "Defense" and sure it goes to Floyd. We might as well include "Offense" which goes to Pacquiao. One thing that makes this fight very interesting since we have a defensive genius at one end and a well-oiled offensive machine on the other end.

I can accept that "quality of opponents" might be EVEN.

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that, seeing how he basically lunges in and puts all of his body weight/force into his shots

Putting everything on equal terms, Pacquiao put on a much better offensive performance on their common opponents (Oscar and Ricky). Pacquiao also throws punches in bunches from weird angles and position. That's why I considered his offense more lethal compared to Floyd.

Originally Posted by fanjohn

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by fanjohn

I forgot about "Defense" and sure it goes to Floyd. We might as well include "Offense" which goes to Pacquiao. One thing that makes this fight very interesting since we have a defensive genius at one end and a well-oiled offensive machine on the other end.

I can accept that "quality of opponents" might be EVEN.

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that, seeing how he basically lunges in and puts all of his body weight/force into his shots

Putting everything on equal terms, Pacquiao put on a much better offensive performance on their common opponents (Oscar and Ricky). Pacquiao also throws punches in bunches from weird angles and position. That's why I considered his offense more lethal compared to Floyd.

again DLH was a lot farther along when he took on Pacquiao than when he fought Mayweather

and Mayweather hit Marquez a lot more, a lot harder, and with a wider variety of punches than Pacquiao ever had, it's not just one way buddy

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that,

I agree that Mayweather has a wider variety of punches but I don't understand how someone can argue that he is a better combination puncher. In my opinion he is a potshotter who only begins to put together combos in the later rounds as a result of earlier strategic feints and single punches. It is only after he has controlled the range, the pace the fight is fought and timed his opponents that he begins to open up and even then they are usually 2 punch combinations. A good example of this is how he began landing left jab to the solar plexus, straight right combos against De la Hoya in the "championshop rounds". He had feinted left jabs to the head then landed left jabs to the body in the earlier rounds. Later on he disturbed De la Hoya's timing by leaving his left glove in his face before jabbing the body and landing straight rights. I don't remember him landing the combos that Pacquiao did against Hatton or De la Hoya (yes I know he was weight drained) and I don't see him doing it against Cotto. Technically Mayweather could but his lack of power and mentality make it more intelligent for him to potshot. I also don't understand how he can have the same stamina as Pacquiao. Sure we've never seen him tired but when has Pacquiao faded? Who has the higher workrate?

Originally Posted by jahmez

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

not really, IMO Mayweather puts combo's together better than Manny, and he has a wider variety of punches, he knocked Hatton out throwing a hook on the backfoot, i don't see Manny being able to do that,

I agree that Mayweather has a wider variety of punches but I don't understand how someone can argue that he is a better combination puncher. In my opinion he is a potshotter who only begins to put together combos in the later rounds as a result of earlier strategic feints and single punches. It is only after he has controlled the range, the pace the fight is fought and timed his opponents that he begins to open up and even then they are usually 2 punch combinations. A good example of this is how he began landing left jab to the solar plexus, straight right combos against De la Hoya in the "championshop rounds". He had feinted left jabs to the head then landed left jabs to the body in the earlier rounds. Later on he disturbed De la Hoya's timing by leaving his left glove in his face before jabbing the body and landing straight rights. I don't remember him landing the combos that Pacquiao did against Hatton or De la Hoya (yes I know he was weight drained) and I don't see him doing it against Cotto. Technically Mayweather could but his lack of power and mentality make it more intelligent for him to potshot. I also don't understand how he can have the same stamina as Pacquiao. Sure we've never seen him tired but when has Pacquiao faded? Who has the higher workrate?

Pac does have great stamina...especially considering how active he is in he ring. But Floyd's stamina is as good as any fighters...for all of his arrogance and flash...the man trains incredibly hard. Another thing about Floyd is that his body is relaxed. He is so light on his feet, so fluid...you rarely see him in a state of tension...which of course conserves energy. Will he be able to maintain that state against a relentless fighter like Manny...not sure. But Floyd doesn't care how he wins...if he needs to be defensive and run...he will. He will not be lulled into a brawl. And Manny...for all of his toughness and athletic brilliance...is very hittable. Because the speed factor will not be in Pac's favor in this fight as compared to his other recent bouts...i will have to say Floyd's superior skill and ability to adapt will make him the favorite. But Manny has tremendous momentum...and Floyd has not faced a prime, great fighter in a very long time (and some will argue he has never faced a GREAT prime fighter). So should be great fight.

I think there is no way Team Mayweather would let Pacquiao beat Floyd. If they feel he is going to lose I'm preparing for his entire entourage to rush into the ring. I'm serious. If Team Mayweather feel Floyd is going to lose I expect him to be instructed to try and get disqualified by fouling with his elbows and then blame the loss on the referee for not allowing him to fight his style. I then expect him to somehow blame this on Roach's insistance on a certain type of referee and that Team Pacquiao and Bob Arum had rigged the fight from the start. If Team Mayweather feels Floyd will lose I expect this to turn into a foul filled fight from both sides and I literally expect Roger Mayweather to attack Pacquiao.

Originally Posted by fanjohn

Here's my breakdown of the advantages/disadvantages for each boxer:

.......................Size - Floyd
..............Skills/Style - Floyd
...................Weight - Floyd
....................Reach - Floyd
...........Height/Taller - Floyd
................Accuracy - Floyd

.......................Age - Pacquiao
....................Power - Pacquiao
................Workrate - Pacquiao
Quality of Opponents - Pacquiao
.......Ring Experience - Pacquiao
.....................Heart - Pacquiao
....... Recent activity - Pacquiao

....................Speed - EVEN
.......Ring Generalship - EVEN
..................Stamina - EVEN
.......................Chin - EVEN
.........Corner/Trainer - EVEN


Discuss...

The first two actually go to floyd as floyd has way more experience than PAC..Floyd had a very long amateur career. This why PAC is just now becoming a well rounded fighter.

And Floyd has beaten a wider variety of opponents meaning styles, where as Manny was protected from fighting slick boxers and still to this day hasn't fought a slick boxer.

HEART - I don't know how you measure this but I think its just a dumb way of trying to give manny an "advantage", Why doesn't floyd have heat? Because he's undefeated? Well it takes more heart than one gets credit for to constantly lace 'em up with the huge target on his back that floyd has.

And As far as Recent activity, this could very easily count against Manny as he himself just stated that he wants a vacation because the cotto fight was very tough, not to mention they've been riding him over the last two years. with 5 fights. Where as Floyd has been resting and came back with an easy tune up against a very good small man.