Thread: IBF won't sanction Wlad v Toney

Wlad made an offer to Toney, but the IBF have refused to sanction it as Toney has been inactive to long. Toney has just been saved from a brutal beating, looks like Wlad is trying to fight anyone which is no fault of his own might aswell keep busy.

how come neither klit has ever fough valuev?

Originally Posted by erics44

how come neither klit has ever fough valuev?

Well right now Valuev is recovering from surgery...but in history Sauerland and more recently Don King have tried to protect their fighter and have priced him out of plenty of fights.

As some may recall, when Chicken Little bailed on Wlad and when Valuev refused to fight Chagaev the FIRST person the Klitschko camp called to make a fight was Valuev and he declined because he had trained to fight Chagaev as opposed to fighting Wladimir (but Wladimir had trained to fight Chicken Little).

Valuev would be a good opponent for Wladimir, one of the few that's bigger than Wlad too. Valuev would get KO'd no doubt about it!


James Toney ....I remember people said he would beat both Wlad and Vitali EASILY....Wlad would have toyed with Toney it would have been James' 1st KO loss. I wouldn't be surprised if they call Holyfield next.

I don't care what anyone says, it's still a fight I wouldn't mind seeing. It should have happened a few years ago really and I guess Toney has shown his commitment to boxing by not fighting since Greer and going into that horrid floor humping carry on. But regardless, even at 42, I bet Toney could go the distance with Wlad. At 36 and in the right shape, I would even give him a shot at beating Wlad.

I wonder if they would sanction a fight against Holyfield?

HAHAHA toney, a guy that hasnt been in a boxing ring for ages, is fat, well past his best and got beat in 3 minutes in a ufc fight.

Way to go wlad. Way to go!

Originally Posted by miles

I don't care what anyone says, it's still a fight I wouldn't mind seeing. It should have happened a few years ago really and I guess Toney has shown his commitment to boxing by not fighting since Greer and going into that horrid floor humping carry on. But regardless, even at 42, I bet Toney could go the distance with Wlad. At 36 and in the right shape, I would even give him a shot at beating Wlad.

Nah mate, not a chance. He did what he did to Holyfield because Evanders Shoulder was badly injured. Even though he was waaaaay past his best if that had been a genuinely in shape Evander Toney would have got it handed to him big time. Wlad now would destroy any version of Toney, he is naturally too big for any 5'9 MW who's added 80lbs of fat to his body no matter how good a p4p fighter he was. This fight would be like Wlad fighting Hopkins if Hopkins added a shit load of fat and weighed around 230lbs.

This is gonna sound desperate and sad maybe, but I think Toney has as good a chance as anyone to upset Wlad. Yeah he is horribly out of shape right now, but he has the technical ability to get inside and do work. He knows all the tricks in the book, and will probably have some tricks up his sleeve for the inside fighting(headbutts, hold and hit, etc). If he could just get into some kind of decent shape I'd give him a shot. IBF is full of shit on this one IMO.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by erics44

how come neither klit has ever fough valuev?

Well right now Valuev is recovering from surgery...but in history Sauerland and more recently Don King have tried to protect their fighter and have priced him out of plenty of fights.

As some may recall, when Chicken Little bailed on Wlad and when Valuev refused to fight Chagaev the FIRST person the Klitschko camp called to make a fight was Valuev and he declined because he had trained to fight Chagaev as opposed to fighting Wladimir (but Wladimir had trained to fight Chicken Little).

Valuev would be a good opponent for Wladimir, one of the few that's bigger than Wlad too. Valuev would get KO'd no doubt about it!


James Toney ....I remember people said he would beat both Wlad and Vitali EASILY....Wlad would have toyed with Toney it would have been James' 1st KO loss. I wouldn't be surprised if they call Holyfield next.

I think Holyfield may be next too.

As for Toney I wouldn't have minded seeing it after the disgraceful shape he went into the UFC supposedly representing boxing. I've heard people (in the MMA world) say it was the best shape he had been in for years and that he had trained properly for the first time in years etc. What a crock of shit he was a total mess and went for the easy payday of $1 million without even having to do any training. I would like to see him fight Wlad just for the painful beating he would have received. I mean lets be fair, the last time he had a semi meaningful fight he was beaten by a fat Sam Peter. The man is a fucking joke and a shadow of the man that was one of the p4p best fighters in the world.

Originally Posted by El Kabong

Originally Posted by erics44

how come neither klit has ever fough valuev?

Well right now Valuev is recovering from surgery...but in history Sauerland and more recently Don King have tried to protect their fighter and have priced him out of plenty of fights.

As some may recall, when Chicken Little bailed on Wlad and when Valuev refused to fight Chagaev the FIRST person the Klitschko camp called to make a fight was Valuev and he declined because he had trained to fight Chagaev as opposed to fighting Wladimir (but Wladimir had trained to fight Chicken Little).

Valuev would be a good opponent for Wladimir, one of the few that's bigger than Wlad too. Valuev would get KO'd no doubt about it!


James Toney ....I remember people said he would beat both Wlad and Vitali EASILY....Wlad would have toyed with Toney it would have been James' 1st KO loss. I wouldn't be surprised if they call Holyfield next.

It was 5 years ago. And it wouldn't have been easy, especially with the height and size disparity, but James Toney could have beaten the brothers yes. He had a good chance, with his VASTLY superior boxing skills.

JFAT Alliance 4 Life.

My gut instinct to this was that the IBF are absolutely correct not to sanction such a travesty as this fight, but the fact that it is even being mooted is a testament to the trash of the top division at the moment. Looking at a list of credible opponents for the Klitschko's at the moment makes for a very short list.

Don't think this should be made, but unless they ship Klitschko I and II off to a division of their own, then it could well be this way until they retire. Haye v Harrison has shown that Haye probably isn't ambitious enough to put his money-making potential on the line, so the mundane plod of mediocre opponents to German rings looks set to continue.

Wlad's December fight is just going to be a glorified sparring match anyway...he can't face an "interesting" opponent because they either #1. Won't fight him or #2. Already have other plans. Wlad's going to get A fight, it won't be interesting in the sense of "Wow I wonder who's going to win this fight?" but it'll be interesting to see the strategy used to defeat his next few opponents...will it be boxing from distance or will he take more chances? IMO he took chances a lot earlier with Sam Peter, showed off more of his arsenal and did very well until he sort of slowed his punch output and it took a while for him to get it in gear again.

IMO no matter how the fight is going, Manny should say "Get him out of here!" around the 3rd or 4th round in every single fight from now on.

If Toney wants to get serious about his inactivity then why not get a quick fight set up for the end of October against a bum and then another tune up against someone in the top 10 by the close this or start of the new year. Bang, he is able to get a big fight.

Toney just seems unwilling to do any of the leg work. He fought Greer and then buggered off again. He should have followed that up with a decent fight. Toney only has himself to blame for not commiting himself entirely to boxing at this late stage.

There is the small window that I have suggested, if Toney can't do that, then he needs to retire. The big fights just won't fall into his hands at this stage.

oh how i wish vitali and wladimir weren't Brothers