Thread: JMM: I'll fight him at any weight he wants, not a problem since he was 148

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JMM is saying weight won't be a problem because Pac weighed 148 against Margarito on fight night, whereas he weighed 145 against Katsidis on fight night. He says he has the skillset to beat Pac while Margarito was bigger and stronger he doesn't have the skills to beat Pac. JMM also says that Pac is making excuses that the public doesn't want to see it but who would want to see a washed up fighter that lost and drew in his last 2 fights or a fighter that beat Pac twice, although the record doesn't show it as JMM said.

To be fair if he can't get Mayweather i'd love to see this again.

They should get it on and put this question to rest - once and for all. Make it a 15 rounder!

Yeah Pac is awesome but he needs to stop this shit, that'll be like the 5th opponent of his coming off or only one fight removed from their poorest showing...fight pbf and if that can't be made do it again with jmm for a 3rd time or face a prime welter. Hell I'm not big on berto at all but f it he's young and undefeated, better than facing a past his prime mosley coming of 2 subpar performances.

Before someone mentions that jmm would only be 2 fights removed from his poorest showing, well that was against a bigger skilled man, and at least in between he's faced two top ten lightweights and dominated them.

Originally Posted by armin

Before someone mentions that jmm would only be 2 fights removed from his poorest showing, well that was against a bigger skilled man, and at least in between he's faced two top ten lightweights and dominated them.

Well wasn't Cotto 2 fights removed from his loss? But that excuse was still used not to mentioned the weight. So if he fights JMM a 3rd time that excuse will be used if they get it on, not to mentioned it will be said that Pac is fighting Floyd's leftovers and with weight issues, because the fight with JMM will take place above 135 for sure.

The best opponent out there is the winner of Bradley/Alexander who will be a solid top 10 p4p fighter and also undefeated. No one can really say anything about that, but of course if the fight takes place above 140, the people will say Pacquiao beat up a smaller man if he were to win.

JMM is right, it wont matter which division him and pac fight at because they are still about the same size. If it were to be at 147 - both will weigh below that during weigh in and both will be just a few pounds over that if not below that.

However if pac beats JMM outside lightweight the excuse would be - JMM is too small for welterweights

This is interesting because people are saying Pac and Floyd are about the same size - yet when Floyd dominated JMM the excuse was the same - Floyd is too big and JMM doesn't belong above lightweight

If JMM and Pac are about the same size and Pac and Floyd are about the same size. Doesn't that mean Floyd and JMM are about the same size too?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Sugar Shane is finished because of his performance against Floyd, then how does Marquez escape that criticism?

Mosley at least hurt Floyd. Marquez lost 120-108 on all scorecards

For the record I believe Marquez loses to Mosley.

I think most of us conclude that mosley is finished not just due to the pbf outing but also the mora outing...granted he's looked less than spectacular above welterweight before but he is 38 or something like that these days coming of 2 bad showings. Fight pbs, if that can't be made berto or bradley, or jmm. Not mosley, or cotto yet again.

Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Originally Posted by armin

Before someone mentions that jmm would only be 2 fights removed from his poorest showing, well that was against a bigger skilled man, and at least in between he's faced two top ten lightweights and dominated them.

Well wasn't Cotto 2 fights removed from his loss? But that excuse was still used not to mentioned the weight. So if he fights JMM a 3rd time that excuse will be used if they get it on, not to mentioned it will be said that Pac is fighting Floyd's leftovers and with weight issues, because the fight with JMM will take place above 135 for sure.

The best opponent out there is the winner of Bradley/Alexander who will be a solid top 10 p4p fighter and also undefeated. No one can really say anything about that, but of course if the fight takes place above 140, the people will say Pacquiao beat up a smaller man if he were to win.

That's true cotto was 2 fights removed from his loss to marg, but one was against jennings, and the other against clottey. Jennings he was expected to win and against clottey he was lucky to win cause clottey decided to be clottey and not do jack shit, he looked far from spectacular. Where as jmm in his 2 fights after pbf has dominated 2 top ten lightweights . I'm not saying jmm pac 3 would be as good as the first 2 tho I think it could be, I'm just saying fighting jmm would be a lot better than fighting mosley.

If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.

I think Mosely and JMM needs to bid. Ya know, like an auction (i.e. 50/50pac, 40/60, 30/70 and so on). Lowest bidder get to fight Pac.

Originally Posted by miles

If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.

Manny and Marquez are the same size and both left the superfeatherweight division together. All that has happened is that Manny has been far more successful. If Marquez wants him he has to go to where he now is. You may be consistent, but you are consistently wrong

Why would Manny give up his belts and go backwards to face a guy he already got the win against last time out?

You just don't seem to be in touch with the reality of the situation. Marquez is not a big draw. Manny beat him last time out and Manny is fighting at least two weight classes above him now. He has moved on.

Originally Posted by miles

If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.

Actually there were some on his case, mainly Floyd's critics and haters. Not everyone. If the fight had taken place at 130 or 135 years ago, Floyd would dominate JMM even worse, considering he was even more offensive minded then and much faster. And considering that Floyd usually rehydrates 2 or 3 pounds at the most so it's not like he had a huge size advantage over JMM, it was the skills, speed, and reflexes that were the difference.

You're on about this fight being fair to JMM and the 3rd match should happen. But yet I posted that JMM turned down a '05 rematch against Pac for 750k years ago to fight 2 bums and Chris John for 30k. How do you explain that? If JMM had taken the fight the 3rd match would have happened in '08 or something like that. Or how about he asked for a 50/50 money split in January of this year when the fight was proposed to him by Pac's team? The fight more than likely would have been at 140 also since Pac was only 1 fight removed from fighting there. Talk about not taking the opportunities not presented to you. So who's fault was that? Who priced themselves out? Now JMM wants a 3rd match when he passed on the opportunities to fight Pac on a few occasions.

The moral of the story? Take opportunities in life that are presented to you. Don't turn them down and then chase down those opportunities that passed you by.

BTW, I don't think there will be a 3rd match with JMM. Floyd, Berto, Mosley, and the winner of Bradley/Alexander are on the horizon.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by miles

If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.

Manny and Marquez are the same size and both left the superfeatherweight division together. All that has happened is that Manny has been far more successful. If Marquez wants him he has to go to where he now is. You may be consistent, but you are consistently wrong

Why would Manny give up his belts and go backwards to face a guy he already got the win against last time out?

You just don't seem to be in touch with the reality of the situation. Marquez is not a big draw. Manny beat him last time out and Manny is fighting at least two weight classes above him now. He has moved on.

No, what happened was that Marquez went up to LW and cleaned out the entire division and fought the best fighters. He has one attempt at WW against Mayweather and Mayweather was just too big for him. Since then he has gone back down to LW. Meanwhile, Pac cherrypicked Diaz and then made his assault on JWW and WW and yes, he has been very impressive. However, Marquez has been impressive too, but what Manny has been doing is no doubt more spectacular.

How am I wrong? It is a fact that I was amongst a large group of Mayweather critics who were not impressed with him choosing to come back against Marquez. The fight went exactly as we all thought. Mayweather was just too big for Marquez to do anything against. Marquez has been fighting at LW whereas Manny has been fighting at WW. Manny is younger and is somehow able to carry his speed and power up through multiple weight divisions. Nobody else has been able to it in such a fashion before. Marquez is the much more typical example of a smaller fighter that tries to force his way through the weights. He gets flabby and he loses speed. This hasn't happened with Manny and it is out of the ordinary. They are not of a similar size anymore. Marquez carries the weight through intensive rehydration, Manny carries it through pure muscle. They were of a similar size, but they are not any longer. Manny is a WW and Marquez a LW. If they would agree to meet at JWW, then that is the perfect compromise. As things stand, it is the same as Mayweather fighting Marquez at WW. However, Mayweather was attacked and Pacquiao is being given a free pass.

You say why would Manny agree to go down in weight and give up his belts. Well, you have already said that belts are meaningless and I agree. It is also a fact that most writers and fans think that Marquez deserved the nod in the last fight. So really, Pac is a draw and a loss down to Marquez, despite what the record books say. Why is Marquez even in consideration for the fight? Because Pac knows that Marquez is the bogeyman on his record and the best way to dispose of him is to puff him up and try and blow him away. It doesn't hurt that he has no WW pedigree and is old in boxing terms. Marquez deserves respect and sure, Manny could fight a Mosley coming off of a loss and a draw, but what's the point. We've already been spoonfed a cheating Margarito who had no place in a big fight. Why do we now get a fighter who hasn't won in 3 years and is nearly 40? It's a joke. At least reduce the 7000 calorie diet, lose a couple of pounds and give the fans a real fight against the guy who has arguably beaten him twice already. There could be no bigger statement from Manny to dispose of Marquez without handicapping him first. To place the handicap just erases any sense of validity that the fight might have had.