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    Default Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    BS.com is saying Kuntcz and company want the fight with JMM at 145. Yet another disadvantage for a pacman fighter.

    We all saw how well JMM did with the extra weight agains Floyd....what in the FFFFFFFFFF are we to expect if JMM bloats in at 145 against pacman?

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    Quote Originally Posted by MMASUX View Post
    While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.
    Pacquiao fans say that Pacquiao is so impressive for fighting bigger people at 147 pounds and claiming to the heavens that he's not a natural 147 pounder so it's why it impresses them. But when he is asked to move down to 140 it's too big a step for him to have to take. Either he is a Welterweight or he isn't. If he isn't a natural welterweight then he can make 140, if he is, then he can't, but you can't have it both ways by saying "He is so impressive for beating 147 pounders when that isn't his natural weight...but he isn't small enough for 140." Not big enough for 147 but not small enough for 140 is sort of meh.
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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    Quote Originally Posted by MMASUX View Post
    While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.
    So JMM can come in with less power and everythig is hunk-a-dory? So Pac can also stop being a pussy and not make opponents fight at designated catch weights, I will shut up if Pac fights Martinez with the same logic you are using in this post. I kind of agree with you but it seems to not apply when Pac is fighting the bigger man...... Why is that ?

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    Quote Originally Posted by Addicted to Boxing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MMASUX View Post
    While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.
    So JMM can come in with less power and everythig is hunk-a-dory? So Pac can also stop being a pussy and not make opponents fight at designated catch weights, I will shut up if Pac fights Martinez with the same logic you are using in this post. I kind of agree with you but it seems to not apply when Pac is fighting the bigger man...... Why is that ?
    I agree Pac is not a legit WW, he's coming in around 145 for his fights, so making 140 shouldn't be a problem. I just don't see him agreeing to come in at anything lower than 140, not going to happen. 140 would be ideal, but it actually happening is another. JMM is one of my favorite fighters and i hope he gets the third fight with Pac, i'm hoping it's not at 147 cause then it would be another BS bloated/weight drained Pac opponent. I don't agree with it, i'm just calling it how i see it playing out.

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

    Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miles View Post
    Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

    Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.
    I thought you were against catchweights? So shouldn't JMM challenge Pac at the full WW limit? I remember you being critical of Pac fighting Cotto at 145, saying Pac shouldn't be weight draining fighters. So shouldn't the same standard be held for JMM on not trying to weight drain Pac?

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    Quote Originally Posted by MMASUX View Post
    While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.
    why is the weight limit a disadvantage

    Pac vs Marquez II- weights of both guys when they got in the ring-March 2008
    145 141

    Pac vs Margarito- November 2010
    148

    Marquez vs Katsidis-November 2010
    145

    where is the weight disadvantage. When they were having to make 130 for the weigh in, Pac came into the ring 4 pounds heavier than Marquez (145 to 141). Late last year in separate fights, Pac weighed 148 in the ring, 3 pounds more than the 145 Marquez weighed in the ring against katsidis.

    Where is the weight disadvantage


    realize Pac weighs in at 144 or 145 for his fights and then only weighs about 148 in the ring.

    Brandon Rios-who weighs in at 135, weighs more in the damn ring during his fight than Pac does!!!

    ! Tim Bradley, Devon Alexander, Lucas Matthyse, Amir Kahn, -the guys at 140, weigh more in the ring during their fights than Pac does!!!!

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    Quote Originally Posted by MMASUX View Post
    While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.
    Personally I think Pac could make 135. He doesn't really go above 145 in weight even after the weigh in. If he was cutting weight I don't think 135 would hurt him much at all. 140 IMO would be the ideal place for Pac to be at his best right now.

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    And for the record I think Marquez has a better chance than anyone else who has fought Pac recently even out of his comfort zone. I repeat Pac CANNOT handle good counter punchers, it's a glaring weakness and JMM is the second best counter puncher in the world, hence the reason Arum had to pay the judges off twice to rob JMM in the past.

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    I'm not gonna go back and forth with all this weight bullshit...

    The fight is on and Nov. 5th can't come soon enough for me.
    I'll let JMM do the talking in the ring for me.

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    I'm not gonna go back and forth with all this weight bullshit...

    The fight is on and Nov. 5th can't come soon enough for me.
    I'll let JMM do the talking in the ring for me.

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    I'm not gonna go back and forth with all this weight bullshit...

    The fight is on and Nov. 5th can't come soon enough for me.
    I'll let JMM do the talking in the ring for me.

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    Marquez is brave (or maybe even lazy?) if he accepts anything above 140.

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    Default Re: Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

    Quote Originally Posted by carpetrepairhouston View Post
    BS.com is saying Kuntcz and company want the fight with JMM at 145. Yet another disadvantage for a pacman fighter.

    We all saw how well JMM did with the extra weight agains Floyd....what in the FFFFFFFFFF are we to expect if JMM bloats in at 145 against pacman?
    Far to much is made out of this supposed weight disparity. Come fight time they are going to be about the same size and again Marquez does not have to weigh in at 144. Go 141. Damn when he fought Katsidis he was I believe 148 at fight time. This size thing has been blown way out of proportion.

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