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    Default ESPN 20 Greatest KO's

    Brian Kenny and Bert Sugar hosted “Who’s Number One” last night and the topic was the 20 Greatest KO’s in history. The list was Bert Sugar’s and his criteria was essentially fourfold:

    The importance of the fight (which basically means championship fights), the drama (or ebb and flow), suddenness and there being video so they could show it. Here’s his list.

    20) Floyd Patterson KO3 Ingemar Johansen-One left hook and Ingo’s foot is quivering.

    19) Ray Mercer KO4 Tommy Morrison-Eight punches while the Duke is helpless

    1 Bob Foster KO4 Dick Tiger-One swooping left hook and the Sheriff is champ.

    17) Muhammad Ali TKO3 Cleveland Williams-The Ali peak

    16) Jersey Joe Walcott K07 Ezzard Charles-Craft by subtraction

    15) George Foreman TKO2 Joe Frazier-Down goes Frazier!

    14) Joe Louis KO13 Billy Conn-Conn is champ…for twelve rounds.

    13) Diego Corrales TKO10 Jose Luis Castillo-You’d better effin’ get inside!

    12) Muhammad Ali KO8 George Foreman-Ali Bomaye!

    11) Thomas Hearns KO2 Pipino Cuevas-A shotgun outdone by a howitzer.

    10) Jack Johnson KO12 Stanley Ketchel-Give Stan his teeth back Jack.

    9) George Foreman KO10 Michael Moorer-It happened!

    Tony Zale KO3 Rocky Graziano-Right to the body, left to the jaw!

    7) Buster Douglas KO10 Mike Tyson-42 to 1?

    6) Carmen Basilio TKO12 Tony DeMarco-Sheer Brutality

    5) Marvin Hagler KO3 Thomas Hearns-Destruct and Destroy

    4) Sugar Ray Robinson KO5 Gene Fullmer-One punching Fulmer? Going backwards? At 35?

    2) Joe Louis KO1 Max Schmeling-Good Lord.

    1) Jack Demspey-Luis Firpo-Dempsey goes through the ropes

    Now I think this is a pretty good list. But what’s the point of a post if one doesn’t disagree? I think one thing Sugar gets wrong is the quality of the guy getting KO’d. I don’t care how brutal it is, drilling Tommy Morrison, Cleveland Williams or even Pipino Cuevas is not that big a deal when one only has twenty slots! Using Bert’s criteria here is my list.

    Here is my alternative list.

    20) Jersey Joe Walcott KO7 Ezzard Charles-Joe had been feinting before the left hook all night. This time he just throws it!

    19) Floyd Patterson KO3 Ingemar Johansen-The foot is still quivering

    1 Michael Carbajal TKO7 Humberto Gonzales-The great fight of the little men. Carbajal gets off the floor twice.

    17) Archie Moore KO11 Yvonne Durelle-The Mongoose gets off the floor four times, twice when he shouldn’t have to stop the Canadian.

    16) Bob Foster KO4 Dick Tiger-Tiger hadn’t been stopped in 15 years and Foster almost killed him.

    15) Julio Cesar Chavez TKO12 Meldrick Taylor-Taylor is two seconds from winning but his body is gone.

    14) George Foreman KO2 Joe Frazier-Give Joe credit, he kept getting up.

    13) Diego Corrales KO10 Jose Louis Castillo-Another comeback for the ages

    12) Tommy Hearns KO2 Roberto Duran-How is it possible for Duran to be overmatched? Hearns descended like an avenging angel.

    11) Marcel Cerdan TKO11 Tony Zale-One of the finest combinations in history finishes the Man of Steel.

    10) Jack Johnson KO12 Stanley Ketchell-Hello? Teeth?

    9) Joe Louis KO13 Billy Conn-I guess he couldn't hide, could he?

    Aaron Pryor TKO14 Alexis Arguello-What time is it?

    7) Sugar Ray Leonard TKO 13 Tommy Hearns-You’re blowing it son!

    7) Ray Robinson KO5 Gene Fulmer-Yeah it is THAT good!

    6) Buster Douglas KO10 Mike Tyson-Five great punches to finish it.

    5) Muhammad Ali KO8 George Foreman-Ali cements his place in the pantheon

    4) Sandy Saddler KO4 Willie Pep-NOBODY KO’s Willie Pep!

    3) Rocky Marciano KO13 Jersey Joe Walcott-Is he dead?

    2) Marvin Hagler KO3 Tommy Hearns-Man oh man.

    1) Joe Louis KO1 Max Schmeling-probably the most important night in boxing history.
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    Default Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's

    I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?

    Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!

    Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
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    Default Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's

    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?

    Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!

    Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
    Both lists pretty much contain all the ones that need to be there. Not trying to list the same fights again. But I will give you a couple that should be included

    Hasim Rahman KO 5 Lennox Lewis- So Ocean 11 huh, Lewis?
    Mike Tyson KO 1 Michael Spinks- No wonder Spinks was stalling
    Donald Curry KO 2 Milton McCrory- I have yet to see a better left hook
    Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson- Patterson wasn't scared. He was fucking terrified
    Max Schmeling TKO 12 Joe Louis- Right hands all damn night

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    Default Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's

    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?

    Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!

    Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
    Both lists pretty much contain all the ones that need to be there. Not trying to list the same fights again. But I will give you a couple that should be included

    Hasim Rahman KO 5 Lennox Lewis- So Ocean 11 huh, Lewis?
    Mike Tyson KO 1 Michael Spinks- No wonder Spinks was stalling
    Donald Curry KO 2 Milton McCrory- I have yet to see a better left hook
    Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson- Patterson wasn't scared. He was fucking terrified
    Max Schmeling TKO 12 Joe Louis- Right hands all damn night
    Yep - a fantastic shot. A couple of years later he was on the end of one himself, courtesy of Mike McCallum!
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    Default Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's

    I'm gonna run with a few gems I hold near and dear to me fistically addicted heart

    Carbajal ko Gonzalez 1.....goat
    Kennedy McKinney ko Welcome Ncita
    Juan Meza ko Jaime Garza
    Reggie Johnson ko William Guthrie
    Vincent Pettway ko Simon Brown
    Tommy Morrison ko Razor Ruddock
    Edwin Rosario ko Anthony Jones
    Muangchai kittikasem ko Jung koo Chang (barely)
    Mark too sharp Johnson ko Arthur Johnson
    Rafael Pineda ko Roger Mayweather
    Azumah Nelson ko Jeff Fenech 2
    Bernard Hopkins ko Joe Lipsey
    Aaron Davis ko Mark breland
    James Toney ko Tim littles
    Saad Muhammed ko Marvin Johnson 1
    Carlos Gonzalez ko Tony Baltazar
    Kevin Kelly ko Ricardo Rivera
    John Verderosa ko Sean O'Grady
    Sergio Martinez ko Paul Williams
    James Toney ko Prince Charles Williams
    Bob Foster ko Mike Quarry
    Darrel wilson ko Shannon Briggs
    Gussie Nazarov ko Joey Gamache

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    I'm gonna run with a few gems I hold near and dear to me fistically addicted heart

    Carbajal ko Gonzalez 1.....goat
    Kennedy McKinney ko Welcome Ncita
    Juan Meza ko Jaime Garza
    Reggie Johnson ko William Guthrie
    Vincent Pettway ko Simon Brown
    Tommy Morrison ko Razor Ruddock
    Edwin Rosario ko Anthony Jones
    Muangchai kittikasem ko Jung koo Chang (barely)
    Mark too sharp Johnson ko Arthur Johnson
    Rafael Pineda ko Roger Mayweather
    Azumah Nelson ko Jeff Fenech 2
    Bernard Hopkins ko Joe Lipsey
    Aaron Davis ko Mark breland
    James Toney ko Tim littles
    Saad Muhammed ko Marvin Johnson 1
    Carlos Gonzalez ko Tony Baltazar
    Kevin Kelly ko Ricardo Rivera
    John Verderosa ko Sean O'Grady
    Sergio Martinez ko Paul Williams
    James Toney ko Prince Charles Williams
    Bob Foster ko Mike QuarryDarrel wilson ko Shannon Briggs
    Gussie Nazarov ko Joey Gamache
    GREAT list. The bolds are ones I considered and each has a good case. They'd all be on my list if I went 30 places.

    What Azumah did to Fenech in that environment? Sensational!
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    Default Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's

    great post- I cant believe how they have Dempsey vs Firpo on there. It looked like a amatuer boxing fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gest12645 View Post
    great post- I cant believe how they have Dempsey vs Firpo on there. It looked like a amatuer boxing fight.
    Yeah, if I was going to put a Dempsey fight on? It's be his annihilation of Jess Willard. A heavyweight revolution goes national.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?

    Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!

    Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
    Both lists pretty much contain all the ones that need to be there. Not trying to list the same fights again. But I will give you a couple that should be included

    Hasim Rahman KO 5 Lennox Lewis- So Ocean 11 huh, Lewis?
    Mike Tyson KO 1 Michael Spinks- No wonder Spinks was stalling
    Donald Curry KO 2 Milton McCrory- I have yet to see a better left hook
    Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson- Patterson wasn't scared. He was fucking terrified
    Max Schmeling TKO 12 Joe Louis- Right hands all damn night
    How the HELL did I leave that off?

    BTW, was the Curry left hook better than the one the Bodysnatcher landed on his a few years later?
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    Default Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's

    McClellan v Julian Jackson – welcome to the new p4p big hitter
    Lewis v Ruddock – welcome to the new heavyweight big hitter
    McCall v Lewis – close my eyes and hope to land to become champion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    McClellan v Julian Jackson – welcome to the new p4p big hitter
    Lewis v Ruddock – welcome to the new heavyweight big hitter
    McCall v Lewis – close my eyes and hope to land to become champion.
    Yeah, McClellan vs Jackson definitely belongs in my opinion. Good one with McCall knocking Lennox's head off. CC for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui View Post
    I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?

    Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!

    Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
    Both lists pretty much contain all the ones that need to be there. Not trying to list the same fights again. But I will give you a couple that should be included

    Hasim Rahman KO 5 Lennox Lewis- So Ocean 11 huh, Lewis?
    Mike Tyson KO 1 Michael Spinks- No wonder Spinks was stalling
    Donald Curry KO 2 Milton McCrory- I have yet to see a better left hook
    Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson- Patterson wasn't scared. He was fucking terrified
    Max Schmeling TKO 12 Joe Louis- Right hands all damn night
    How the HELL did I leave that off?

    BTW, was the Curry left hook better than the one the Bodysnatcher landed on his a few years later?
    I consider it just a lil bit better. Cuz when Mike landed his he landed with full power. He lunged in and got full power behind it. Curry took like a quick swipe and the Ice man was done. It was so fast and short. The perfect punch

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    Default Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's

    marble don't let the "no responses" discourage you...
    It happens often with threads that make people think and or have to read a lot.

    Go and create a thread with any of these titles and watch the magic work:
    Naz vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's JMM, Morales, Pacquiao
    Tyson vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's Ali, Wladdy, Vitaly
    RJJ vs. _______ <----- Insert any ATG name from Middle to LHW.

    these threads have been done to death but people tend to respond to them....
    The way I see it when I create threads is a view is as good as comment.
    Hey! at least people are taking the time to view and read your post.

    As for the list... I'm gonna throw some out that I think are often overlooked.
    I also think that bodyshots are vastly underrated. KO'ing someone while hitting them in the face good. KO'ing them with a shot to the body even better.

    Gavilan vs. Cartier
    Ruddock vs. Dokes
    Toney vs. Williams
    Ike vs. Jack 1
    RJJ vs. Hill
    MAB vs. Fana
    Nunn vs. Sumbu
    McCallum vs. Curry
    Lewis vs. Rahman 2
    Zapata vs. Nakajima
    Benitez vs. Hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    marble don't let the "no responses" discourage you...
    It happens often with threads that make people think and or have to read a lot.

    Go and create a thread with any of these titles and watch the magic work:
    Naz vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's JMM, Morales, Pacquiao
    Tyson vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's Ali, Wladdy, Vitaly
    RJJ vs. _______ <----- Insert any ATG name from Middle to LHW.

    these threads have been done to death but people tend to respond to them....
    The way I see it when I create threads is a view is as good as comment.
    Hey! at least people are taking the time to view and read your post.

    As for the list... I'm gonna throw some out that I think are often overlooked.
    I also think that bodyshots are vastly underrated. KO'ing someone while hitting them in the face good. KO'ing them with a shot to the body even better.

    Gavilan vs. Cartier
    Ruddock vs. Dokes
    Toney vs. Williams
    Ike vs. Jack 1
    RJJ vs. Hill
    MAB vs. Fana
    Nunn vs. Sumbu
    McCallum vs. Curry
    Lewis vs. Rahman 2
    Zapata vs. Nakajima
    Benitez vs. Hope
    It's actually a good thing some fools don't post a list. All you see is 20 Manny Pacquiao fights listed

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    Default Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's

    I'd have Tyson vs Spinks on there.

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