Thread: Why couldn't Calzaghe's peak have been around now :-(

Bute and Ward are better than anybody Calzaghe faced imo. Froch would be another great fight as would Kesler (although JC did beat a prime version of Kessler) Also a fight with Dirrell would've been very interesting. I would love to have seen how JC faired in today's pool of SMWs.

Hell I'd like to have seen how he did against Ottke and Jones and Liles and Nunn and Echols in his own time

Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

Hell I'd like to have seen how he did against Ottke and Jones and Liles and Nunn and Echols in his own time

Your not still harping on about that are you?

You made your point at least 10 times now.

Originally Posted by BIG H

Bute and Ward are better than anybody Calzaghe faced imo. Froch would be another great fight as would Kesler (although JC did beat a prime version of Kessler) Also a fight with Dirrell would've been very interesting. I would love to have seen how JC faired in today's pool of SMWs.

Calzaghe was late for the benn ,Eubank, collins era but to early for the froch,Bute,ward era.

Pity.

Originally Posted by BIG H

Bute and Ward are better than anybody Calzaghe faced imo. Froch would be another great fight as would Kesler (although JC did beat a prime version of Kessler) Also a fight with Dirrell would've been very interesting. I would love to have seen how JC faired in today's pool of SMWs.

I think Butes angels and body attack may have been to much. He and Froch strike me as a bit similiar...low hands, cocky as hell and punching off the hips some. Froch has more pop but Calzaghe higher workrate. You guys would have to declare a National holiday off had they ever met

I don't think it's possible to say Bute is up there with Calzaghe yet because he's simply fighting too many easy fights, and not being in the Super Six has made his opposition pretty shabby really.

As for Ward, that really would be interesting I reckon. It's hard to compare eras, and a shame that Calzaghe didn't have more competition that actually wanted to fight him, but he had some great performances, and I think he'd be in with a good shout against all of the current crop at smw.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Originally Posted by BIG H

Bute and Ward are better than anybody Calzaghe faced imo. Froch would be another great fight as would Kesler (although JC did beat a prime version of Kessler) Also a fight with Dirrell would've been very interesting. I would love to have seen how JC faired in today's pool of SMWs.

I think Butes angels and body attack may have been to much. He and Froch strike me as a bit similiar...low hands, cocky as hell and punching off the hips some. Froch has more pop but Calzaghe higher workrate. You guys would have to declare a National holiday off had they ever met

The same Bute that took 10 rounds to breakdown an ancient Brian Magee? This is Brian Magee that a past his best Robin Reid knocked down 100 times, Carl Froch knocked unconcious and a man the WBO wouldn't even sanction for a Calzaghe fight.

The same Bute that was virtually knocked out against Andrade?

Bute is an impressive fighter. But we need to reserve judgement until he actually faces someone top class.

Arthur Abraham was around favourite for the Super Six. Look what happened to him. Kelly Pavlik was destined for greatness after beating Taylor. Look what happened to him.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by Spicoli

Originally Posted by BIG H

Bute and Ward are better than anybody Calzaghe faced imo. Froch would be another great fight as would Kesler (although JC did beat a prime version of Kessler) Also a fight with Dirrell would've been very interesting. I would love to have seen how JC faired in today's pool of SMWs.

I think Butes angels and body attack may have been to much. He and Froch strike me as a bit similiar...low hands, cocky as hell and punching off the hips some. Froch has more pop but Calzaghe higher workrate. You guys would have to declare a National holiday off had they ever met

The same Bute that took 10 rounds to breakdown an ancient Brian Magee? This is Brian Magee that a past his best Robin Reid knocked down 100 times, Carl Froch knocked unconcious and a man the WBO wouldn't even sanction for a Calzaghe fight.

The same Bute that was virtually knocked out against Andrade?

Bute is an impressive fighter. But we need to reserve judgement until he actually faces someone top class.

Arthur Abraham was around favorite for the Super Six. Look what happened to him. Kelly Pavlik was destined for greatness after beating Taylor. Look what happened to him.

Bute is a phenomenal body puncher and shifty as they come with solid improvement, Andrade rematch ended a lil different. Personally just have a feel he's too shifty for Joe.We are talking strictly hypothetical and a fight that has 100% chance of not happening. I get the top class...Pavlik certainly isn't it but with the 6 ending we'll see very soon.

Originally Posted by BIG H

Bute and Ward are better than anybody Calzaghe faced imo. Froch would be another great fight as would Kesler (although JC did beat a prime version of Kessler) Also a fight with Dirrell would've been very interesting. I would love to have seen how JC faired in today's pool of SMWs.

Pac would have killed him

calzaghe wouldnt have fought them if he was around now they are not in their 40's.

Originally Posted by porkypara

Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

Hell I'd like to have seen how he did against Ottke and Jones and Liles and Nunn and Echols in his own time

Your not still harping on about that are you?

You made your point at least 10 times now.

Yeah but the classics never get old do they?

Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

Hell I'd like to have seen how he did against Ottke and Jones and Liles and Nunn and Echols in his own time

Michael Nunn's last fight at Super Middleweight was in 1995 against John Scully, a fight that was controversial and some people felt Michael Nunn lost. Joe Calzaghe become champion at Super Middleweight in 1997.

So i fail to see how they could have fought, plus Michael Nunn was washed up at that point. This was hardly the Michael Nunn who destroyed Tate, Kalambay.

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

Hell I'd like to have seen how he did against Ottke and Jones and Liles and Nunn and Echols in his own time

Michael Nunn's last fight at Super Middleweight was in 1995 against John Scully, a fight that was controversial and some people felt Michael Nunn lost. Joe Calzaghe become champion at Super Middleweight in 1997.

So i fail to see how they could have fought, plus Michael Nunn was washed up at that point. This was hardly the Michael Nunn who destroyed Tate, Kalambay.

...add to the fact that Liles only fought a couple of times after 97 , one of which he got Koed by Mitchell, whom Calzaghe took out in less than 9 minutes, begs the question why would Liles even have been on the radar. Echols: He probably had one decent win around that time (Brewer) after having already lost he then went on to lose to world beating Anthony Mundine and Kingsley Ikeke. Echols never deserved a shot and doesn't belong in the same breath. Ottke: Yes, perhaps they should've fought, but Ottke had a bungi rope attached to his ass that pulled him back to his home town every time he tried to cross the border. Ottke's record would look very different if his bigger fights hadn't taken place in Germany and to say that he was a bigger test than somebody like kessler would be laughable.

Of course, as we know from experience, being british automatically precludes any fighter from being world class

Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

calzaghe wouldnt have fought them if he was around now they are not in their 40's.

This !!

Originally Posted by porkypara

Originally Posted by BIG H

Bute and Ward are better than anybody Calzaghe faced imo. Froch would be another great fight as would Kesler (although JC did beat a prime version of Kessler) Also a fight with Dirrell would've been very interesting. I would love to have seen how JC faired in today's pool of SMWs.

Calzaghe was late for the benn ,Eubank, collins era but to early for the froch,Bute,ward era.

Pity.

Too weaker pool for such a good swimmer.