Thread: It was an amazing fight why are you guys argueing over trivial points?

Honestly I felt it probably should have been a draw, but just appreciate the fight. Both guys did an amazing job. I knew by how Roach holds pads for Manny that Pacquiao will never truly feel comfortable walking into the zone he needs to be in, to land his hardest shots. Marquez understands this and really understood that Manny still squares up too much and takes bad angles, but Manny's footwork in terms of speed and balance was way better than Juan's which was suprising considering how much better Marquez's balance was in the previous fights. Some people will say that Manny is now past it, but that's not true, he just wasn't fighting the smaller faster, durable guys of the past that really gave him a hard time. If he can get into position to hit you then Manny is unstoppable. Bigger guys with slower minds and less commitment simply couldn't handle Manny. The bigger you go the less punches and quick exchanges happen in a fight, that is why Marquez did well, he stayed so mentally focused because he realized that Manny is dangerous at any moment, and he never stopped commiting to his offense. Manny also was amazing, how he slashed through with quick left hands, how he sometimes left JMM totally lost with his footwork. They both had terrific exchanges and they were both sharp, quick, and tactical. I honestly don't think this fight takes away from Pacquiao, he is still the same guy who dominated all those bigger guys, but they had styles he would look good against, they tried to be the bigger man against a guy who hits way harder than any of them expected from angles they often don't see. Instead of crying about who won appreciate the myriad of different things they did to try and get the edge on eachother. This is a once in a life time type display of this level of skill and ability so evenly matched.

Unbelievable. There are already many threads and hundreds of posts with an answer to your question.

Originally Posted by Taeth

Honestly I felt it probably should have been a draw, but just appreciate the fight. Both guys did an amazing job. I knew by how Roach holds pads for Manny that Pacquiao will never truly feel comfortable walking into the zone he needs to be in, to land his hardest shots. Marquez understands this and really understood that Manny still squares up too much and takes bad angles, but Manny's footwork in terms of speed and balance was way better than Juan's which was suprising considering how much better Marquez's balance was in the previous fights. Some people will say that Manny is now past it, but that's not true, he just wasn't fighting the smaller faster, durable guys of the past that really gave him a hard time. If he can get into position to hit you then Manny is unstoppable. Bigger guys with slower minds and less commitment simply couldn't handle Manny. The bigger you go the less punches and quick exchanges happen in a fight, that is why Marquez did well, he stayed so mentally focused because he realized that Manny is dangerous at any moment, and he never stopped commiting to his offense. Manny also was amazing, how he slashed through with quick left hands, how he sometimes left JMM totally lost with his footwork. They both had terrific exchanges and they were both sharp, quick, and tactical. I honestly don't think this fight takes away from Pacquiao, he is still the same guy who dominated all those bigger guys, but they had styles he would look good against, they tried to be the bigger man against a guy who hits way harder than any of them expected from angles they often don't see. Instead of crying about who won appreciate the myriad of different things they did to try and get the edge on eachother. This is a once in a life time type display of this level of skill and ability so evenly matched.

Taeth, I couldn't agree with you more. I was 150% agree with you. Great scrap. Each fighter should hold their head high after that one. Hats off to both.

Originally Posted by Andre

Unbelievable. There are already many threads and hundreds of posts with an answer to your question.

Really? There is no answer that I saw, just bitter people complaining about a close fight going in favor of the Pacquiao. I understand that Pacquiao fans can be obnoxious, but he fought an excellent fight and deserved to win as much as Marquez did if not more so with landing more and being more aggressive. I think it was an awsome fight and people should focus on that. At the end of the day Manny is better for boxing than JMM. He has been dominated by Floyd Mayweather, yet, and he has actually improves so much still every time he comes out. It's just he hasn't figured out how to deal got optimal distance and angles yet. That's Roach's fault from what I've seen of their training. Either way, people are way too bitter about this fight. Pacquiao is great for boxing, and they had a terrific fight. Him winning this fight is better for boxing.

I wasnt too bothered who won I never am. I wanted JMM to though.
This was won by him more so than the other fights. I was on the first, because a three knockdown in one round, whats the most you can score for that

This last one isnt Mannys fault, this fight is boxing officials ruling for the greater good of boxing at the expense of a fighter for their own gains.

It was a good fight, Im about to watch it again.

Hardly "trivial" if you're Marquez. What's best for boxing should be entirely incidental to scoring the fight.

still havent seen the fight but did Marquez won 7 rounds clearly? i mean absolutely CLEAR CLEAR 7 rounds ??

because the way things are. even rounds goes to the aggressor/champion fighter.

like if MARQUEZ ABSOLUTELY DOMINATED 5 rounds and each of the 7 rounds were EVEN. PAC wouldhave still won 115-113 ( 10 POINT 'MUST' )

sorry cant resist posting

Originally Posted by miron_lang

still havent seen the fight but did Marquez won 7 rounds clearly? i mean absolutely CLEAR CLEAR 7 rounds ??

because the way things are. even rounds goes to the aggressor/champion fighter.

like if MARQUEZ ABSOLUTELY DOMINATED 5 rounds and each of the 7 rounds were EVEN. PAC wouldhave still won 115-113 ( 10 POINT 'MUST' )

sorry cant resist posting

Unless there were 3 competent judges, in which case he would have lost 120-115.

Originally Posted by lobowolfxxx

Originally Posted by miron_lang

still havent seen the fight but did marquez won 7 rounds clearly? I mean absolutely clear clear 7 rounds ??

Because the way things are. Even rounds goes to the aggressor/champion fighter.

Like if marquez absolutely dominated 5 rounds and each of the 7 rounds were even. Pac wouldhave still won 115-113 ( 10 point 'must' )

sorry cant resist posting :d :d

unless there were 3 competent judges, in which case he would have lost 120-115.

lmao


120-115 :d

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Originally Posted by lobowolfxxx

Originally Posted by miron_lang

still havent seen the fight but did marquez won 7 rounds clearly? I mean absolutely clear clear 7 rounds ??

Because the way things are. Even rounds goes to the aggressor/champion fighter.

Like if marquez absolutely dominated 5 rounds and each of the 7 rounds were even. Pac wouldhave still won 115-113 ( 10 point 'must' )

sorry cant resist posting :d :d

unless there were 3 competent judges, in which case he would have lost 120-115.

lmao


120-115 :d

LMAO at giving Pacquiao 7 even rounds.

NAC 467.612 Method of judging boxing contest or exhibition. (NRS 467.030)

1. Each judge of a boxing contest or exhibition that is being judged shall score the contest or exhibition and determine the winner through the use of the following system:

(a) The better boxer of a round receives 10 points and his opponent proportionately less.

(b) If the round is even, each boxer receives 10 points.

(c) No fraction of points may be given.

(d) Points for each round must be awarded immediately after the end of the period of unarmed combat in the round.

2. After the end of the boxing contest or exhibition, the announcer shall pick up the scores of the judges from the Commission’s desk. The majority opinion is conclusive and, if there is no majority, the decision is a draw.

3. When the representative of the Commission has checked the scores, he shall inform the announcer of the decision and the announcer shall inform the audience of the decision over the speaker system.

[Athletic Comm’n, § 42, eff. 7-3-79]—(NAC A 12-13-82; 12-2-97)


Missed the part about the freebies for the champ.

Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX

Originally Posted by miron_lang

Originally Posted by lobowolfxxx

Originally Posted by miron_lang

still havent seen the fight but did marquez won 7 rounds clearly? I mean absolutely clear clear 7 rounds ??

Because the way things are. Even rounds goes to the aggressor/champion fighter.

Like if marquez absolutely dominated 5 rounds and each of the 7 rounds were even. Pac wouldhave still won 115-113 ( 10 point 'must' )

sorry cant resist posting :d :d

unless there were 3 competent judges, in which case he would have lost 120-115.

lmao


120-115 :d

LMAO at giving Pacquiao 7 even rounds.

NAC 467.612 Method of judging boxing contest or exhibition. (NRS 467.030)

1. Each judge of a boxing contest or exhibition that is being judged shall score the contest or exhibition and determine the winner through the use of the following system:

(a) The better boxer of a round receives 10 points and his opponent proportionately less.

(b) If the round is even, each boxer receives 10 points.

(c) No fraction of points may be given.

(d) Points for each round must be awarded immediately after the end of the period of unarmed combat in the round.

2. After the end of the boxing contest or exhibition, the announcer shall pick up the scores of the judges from the Commission’s desk. The majority opinion is conclusive and, if there is no majority, the decision is a draw.

3. When the representative of the Commission has checked the scores, he shall inform the announcer of the decision and the announcer shall inform the audience of the decision over the speaker system.

[Athletic Comm’n, § 42, eff. 7-3-79]—(NAC A 12-13-82; 12-2-97)


Missed the part about the freebies for the champ.

You did not read my post well

If its an even round most judges give it to the aggressor and/or the champion. That's what i meant.


are you being serious on 120-115? i thought it was a joke that's why i loled


-Peace

120-115 with competent judges not for the actual fight, but for your hypothetical fight where Marquez dominates 5 rounds and the other 7 are even. I did read your post well, and I do agree that a lot of judges take the "tie goes to the champion" option, but that's why I specified that if there were competent judges, then in your scenario, Marquez should win comfortably.

But I wasn't suggesting that was how the actual fight should have been scored.

Originally Posted by miron_lang

still havent seen the fight but did Marquez won 7 rounds clearly? i mean absolutely CLEAR CLEAR 7 rounds ??

because the way things are. even rounds goes to the aggressor/champion fighter.

like if MARQUEZ ABSOLUTELY DOMINATED 5 rounds and each of the 7 rounds were EVEN. PAC wouldhave still won 115-113 ( 10 POINT 'MUST' )

sorry cant resist posting

Not many rounds were clear as a bell mate. close fight but you will see Manny misses alot of shots and its through Marquez's skills that he does. JMM's shots are cleaner every time they land. Still to be fair you can count the hard shots on one hand and mostly one or the other fighter is only up by one or two shots each round.

I just watched it again and pretended I wanted Manny to win and looked harder at him and ignoring Juan more and I still got Juan winning it by one.
Manny looks busier (hectic at times in the last three rounds) but isnt landing as clean as Juan during the whole fight.

Originally Posted by LobowolfXXX

120-115 with competent judges not for the actual fight, but for your hypothetical fight where Marquez dominates 5 rounds and the other 7 are even. I did read your post well, and I do agree that a lot of judges take the "tie goes to the champion" option, but that's why I specified that if there were competent judges, then in your scenario, Marquez should win comfortably.

But I wasn't suggesting that was how the actual fight should have been scored.

reading all the posts from this board its quite obvious that judges did score it that way. Two fighters fought evenly but some of the judges gave it to the agressor or the champion.

In the eye of the fans the counter puncher won convincingly because his rounds were very clear while the champs were not.


Its not a perfect way of scoring it. but judges can score it that way.

so yeah 120-115 if judges scores it a 10-10 on close rounds but that its not happening and is discouraged. Judges are encouraged to have a winner in each round. and in my hypothetical case the champion usually gets it 115-113.

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by miron_lang

still havent seen the fight but did Marquez won 7 rounds clearly? i mean absolutely CLEAR CLEAR 7 rounds ??

because the way things are. even rounds goes to the aggressor/champion fighter.

like if MARQUEZ ABSOLUTELY DOMINATED 5 rounds and each of the 7 rounds were EVEN. PAC wouldhave still won 115-113 ( 10 POINT 'MUST' )

sorry cant resist posting

Not many rounds were clear as a bell mate. close fight but you will see Manny misses alot of shots and its through Marquez's skills that he does. JMM's shots are cleaner every time they land. Still to be fair you can count the hard shots on one hand and mostly one or the other fighter is only up by one or two shots each round.

I just watched it again and pretended I wanted Manny to win and looked harder at him and ignoring Juan more and I still got Juan winning it by one.
Manny looks busier (hectic at times in the last three rounds) but isnt landing as clean as Juan during the whole fight.

Thanks mate. im downloading the fight right now. im sure i'll find 7 rounds to give to Manny because most of them are close. lol