Thread: Philly defense.. efficient?

Okay jw. if i wanted to start trying to learn how to do this if it would be efficient
Out of boxing. like mma if it would work at all, or a street fight if someone was coming at me,
or would it just not work.?
pretty much.. is the way james toney, floyd mayweather, etc how they fight, can that be used out of boxing.?
AND. how long does it take to learn decently?
(i have pretty good head movement, and pretty athletic)

Boxing-wise, it is a very efficient defense, no wasted motion.

Okay good

That type of defense takes time to learn. If you notice, James Toney didn't fight that way at the start of his career. It took him awhile to perfect it, and he had Bill Miller (the most underrated trainer maybe of all time) working with him. You have to be very, very comfortable in the ring, not getting riled by fists flying around your head. You need to understand that you want the punch to miss you by the slightest possible distance, by making the least possible movement, be it a slip, a duck, or a parry, because that keeps you in postion to punch back. So you have to have engrained in your mind and your body that when you make them miss, you counter, never one without the other. And that means you have to have perfect balance and know how to punch short and hard with both hands. There is a lot to fighting that way.

Okay, 1 thing about it that im wondering is that how do you jab without ur opponent see'ing it coming? or is there really no where other then pure speed (In this position)

You're just bringing the jab up; right from your hip, just pick it up. That is a really effective and punishing way to jab, too, if you time it right. For example, your opponent is jabbing and stepping with it, you let it slide over your left shoulder as you bring up your left and push off the back foot. Simon Brown dropped Terry Norris in their first fight with a similar move, and if you watch Toney in the Holyfield or either Hembrick fight, he uses this a lot.
It is more timing than speed, like anything to do with counter-punching.

since i weigh 143 and people will be punching fast no matter what weight class i go to around my weight, should i bother taking the time to learn this? or just stick with what im doing now

If I recall, you are new, or fairly new, to this? To fight in that fashion, you have to know a bunch of things. Take your time, go about learning those things, and incorporating them into your style. You may find that it suits your style, as it developes, to fight in another way, and to only use that type of defense on occasion.
A few things you want to get in the habit of doing, with an eye to being successful using any defensive style...Keep your elbows in close to your body. Keep your stance angled, giving your opponent your shoulder and hip.(that is the biggest thing to avoid getting hit with right hands)Keep your right glove up by your chin to catch and/or parry jabs, and to block hooks. Get your left hand out of the way- don't use it to block because then you can't counter with it, and it is closest to your opponent. When you block punches, especially left hooks, kind of roll with them: turn your body so that the punch wraps around you instead of taking it flush. You'll see how this helps you counter as you do it.

Yeah im pretty new, so do you think i should try this in sparring after a few more months or more like 6.? and thanks for the tips

That is a lot to learn in 6 months, but there are aspects of it you should always use. On the inside, for example, you always want to pull in tight and get your left shoulder into his chest because it takes his right hand and any uppercuts out of it.
Take your time, which I know is something you don't want to hear when you are all ready to go. It'll take quite a bit of sparring, getting used to punches flying at, and bouncing off of, you before you can really relax in the ring and start thinking and doing things on purpose, as opposed to just reacting.

alright thanks any tips help :P just tryin to figure out my style kind of

Early on, the best defense is staying out of range. Learn to catch the jab in your right glove, and stay at an angle to block the right with your left shoulder. You have to understand distance- stay just out of range, but close enough to be able to get in and punch. That's a good place to start.

what do you mean by catch it with the right glove?
P.s. do you have skype or facebook? not trying to ask in a creepy way, just so i could msg you when i have a question on boxing ? lol

You just catch it in the palm of your right hand, as you jab back. If you pivot to your left as you catch and jab your punch will generally get there before his. You can work a few other things off of this.
Once you catch that jab, if you stay in front of him, he'll know you are in range and throw a right hand. That opens up opportunities for you to counter. Or you can catch that jab a time or two, to get him stepping hard with it, then parry and bring that jab up like we talked about earlier. (To parry, just slap it aside with your right glove. Let it get real close to you, push it aside as you jab or hook back.)
You can message me here, as I'm on most everyday, and I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have, if I know the answer.

Alright cool thanks, ill probably end up messaging you in the next few days then.. haha