Thread: Is Bute damage goods?

Can he recover from the beating he took from Carl Froch? I know he's good enough but, is he tough enough?

Good question. I think he is and its upstairs more then anything physical. Carls a 21st century Denny Moyer. Anytime, anywhere, anyplace. Bute was stopped in the amateurs before but nothing like that. History is on Carls side. Most rematches end up a worse beating the the original. Most. I have this feeling Bute is mentally wrecked.

yeah i agree, when rematches are so soon after the first the result is very rarely reversed, especially when its so one sided in the first

my honest opinion is is that bute was massively over rated before the first froch fight, he hadnt fought anyone at world class really

johnson yes but johnson rarely wins at the lofty heights anymore

Originally Posted by erics44

yeah i agree, when rematches are so soon after the first the result is very rarely reversed, especially when its so one sided in the first

my honest opinion is is that bute was massively over rated before the first froch fight, he hadnt fought anyone at world class really

johnson yes but johnson rarely wins at the lofty heights anymore

@erics44 you always forget Bika.

I'm such a die-hard Bute fan that I'm biased in his favor so take this with a grain of salt.

I liked that last round against Grachev. It has me thinking Bute still has it. However, the Grachev fight as a whole made me think twice about him; I must admit. However, a point can be made that Grachev is tougher than advertised and has a style that is comparable to Froch's. He was the exact opponent Bute needed to face and that he ended the fight strong is a good omen. Is he over at the top level? Maybe. Could he beat Arthur Abraham, Robert Stieglitz etc.? Yes.

People say Bute was overrated. I just don't get it. Pre-Froch fight, when you compare his performances against common opponents, Bute performed better at every instance. Watch Froch against Johnson or Ward against Miranda and Bika. Bute did better. He stopped Miranda and dominated Bika and Johnson. Froch took a split decision against Johnson and Ward had difficulty with Bika and couldn't put down Miranda.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I'm such a die-hard Bute fan that I'm biased in his favor so take this with a grain of salt.

I liked that last round against Grachev. It has me thinking Bute still has it. However, the Grachev fight as a whole made me think twice about him; I must admit. However, a point can be made that Grachev is tougher than advertised and has a style that is comparable to Froch's. He was the exact opponent Bute needed to face and that he ended the fight strong is a good omen. Is he over at the top level? Maybe. Could he beat Arthur Abraham, Robert Stieglitz etc.? Yes.

People say Bute was overrated. I just don't get it. Pre-Froch fight, when you compare his performances against common opponents, Bute performed better at every instance. Watch Froch against Johnson or Ward against Miranda and Bika. Bute did better. He stopped Miranda and dominated Bika and Johnson. Froch took a split decision against Johnson and Ward had difficulty with Bika and couldn't put down Miranda.

I'm a die hard to but that Grachev fight was the kicker for me. Who knows maybe that was the kind of fight he needed to have but to me he's got some major head issues/confidence.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

People say Bute was overrated. I just don't get it. Pre-Froch fight, when you compare his performances against common opponents, Bute performed better at every instance. Watch Froch against Johnson or Ward against Miranda and Bika. Bute did better. He stopped Miranda and dominated Bika and Johnson. Froch took a split decision against Johnson and Ward had difficulty with Bika and couldn't put down Miranda.

I agree, I think it was silly for people to say he was overrated. It's not like he didn't fight tough opposition.

I really hope he can come back, but I saw the look in his eyes and his body language when things got tough in the Froch fight. I saw that in a lot of other guys who fizzled out.

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I'm such a die-hard Bute fan that I'm biased in his favor so take this with a grain of salt.

People say Bute was overrated. I just don't get it. Pre-Froch fight, when you compare his performances against common opponents, Bute performed better at every instance. Watch Froch against Johnson or Ward against Miranda and Bika. Bute did better. He stopped Miranda and dominated Bika and Johnson. Froch took a split decision against Johnson and Ward had difficulty with Bika and couldn't put down Miranda.

First rule of boxing is not to judge a fighter by comparing common foes. After all, Mundine caused Kessler problems over 12 rounds, Ottke knocked him out with one punch. Should we suppose Ottke is better and hits harder?

People don't get that Bute was overrated? it's silly? The dictionary definition:-

To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly.

Bute was bookies favorite, and almost all experts picked a close fight, or win for Bute. Ring magazine had 22 experts polled. 10 picked Froch, 12 Bute. None picked Froch KO. The only warnings were that Bute has not fought anyone as good as Froch, whereas Froch has faced as good or better than Bute.

The result was Bute not only being beaten, but being easily outclassed. Given the experts and bookies pre- fight predictions, it makes Bute the very example of overrated by the definition above.

Hopefully carl knocks him out sooner.

Oh, totally. He was crushed by Froch who really doesn't crush people at elite level and then looked god awful and gun shy in a very lacklustre comeback bout. Froch will keep him in Canada for good after this completely pointless rematch.

I'm canadian and a huge Bute fan, but I think he's finished on the elite level. Some guys get stronger after a humilitating beating, but I don't think he's one of those guys. He'll always be a solid fighter, but I don't see him competing with the big boys anymore.

Originally Posted by mrbig1

Can he recover from the beating he took from Carl Froch? I know he's good enough but, is he tough enough?

Rather he recovers or not doesn't really matter. It's become pretty damn clear Bute was not as good as he was made out to be. Bute loses the rematch. And loses against the other top 168 pounders