Thread: Why is Ward so against Froch-Kessler 2??

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I don't see the problem with Froch-Kessler 2 in the slightest it was a lot more exciting that Froch-Ward or Kessler-Ward and it was a very close fight. I don't see any problem with Froch wanting to avenge the loss and Froch is highly rated after battering Bute. Ward is fighting Pavlik, how is that a good fight?

I have no doubt that if Froch can beat Kessler he would love to fight Ward again, why does Ward think Froch wouldn't want this rematch too? Froch has said on many occasions he wants the rematch but after Kessler. I think Ward is annoyed because he's not in the limelight.

I think it's because he knows he isn't in the top ten supermids when it comes to excitement!

He knows he doesn't have to be beaten to be the number 1!!

It kills me at the degree that Joe is scrutinized and this man isn't. Froch/Kessler 2 is a mistake but him v Pavlik is not?

Originally Posted by IamInuit

It kills me at the degree that Joe is scrutinized and this man isn't. Froch/Kessler 2 is a mistake but him v Pavlik is not?

It's just that Ward really doesn't have anyone to fight aside from those two. Pavlik is probably the biggest money/name scalp out there, if he's stupid enough to sign to fight Ward then we're stuck with that.

Hes just a bitter little bitch.

Hes jealous that Froch is now a bigger name than him because of the Bute fight. Also, he probably wants to point out that the Mack fight means nothing because Mack was weight drained but he cant say that now can he...

No matter what Ward does, he will never be a big money fighter. Hes not all that skilled, or has power. Hes fragile and needs to hold. Bika had him hurt and he ran and held. He put alot of fans off with that awfull showing against Kessler. His whole "style" is just disrupting the rythm of another fighter, which for him means holding and rubbing his head in.

Originally Posted by ross

Hes just a bitter little bitch.

Hes jealous that Froch is now a bigger name than him because of the Bute fight. Also, he probably wants to point out that the Mack fight means nothing because Mack was weight drained but he cant say that now can he...

No matter what Ward does, he will never be a big money fighter. Hes not all that skilled, or has power. Hes fragile and needs to hold. Bika had him hurt and he ran and held. He put alot of fans off with that awfull showing against Kessler. His whole "style" is just disrupting the rythm of another fighter, which for him means holding and rubbing his head in.

So what you're saying is Froch lost to a fragile, unskilled fighter with no power, right? That can't be good

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

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I don't see the problem with Froch-Kessler 2 in the slightest it was a lot more exciting that Froch-Ward or Kessler-Ward and it was a very close fight. I don't see any problem with Froch wanting to avenge the loss and Froch is highly rated after battering Bute. Ward is fighting Pavlik, how is that a good fight?

I have no doubt that if Froch can beat Kessler he would love to fight Ward again, why does Ward think Froch wouldn't want this rematch too? Froch has said on many occasions he wants the rematch but after Kessler. I think Ward is annoyed because he's not in the limelight.

Ward isn't in the "limelight" for a reason, he just isn't a popular champion, it's also the reason Ward doesn't get PPV money. In re: Froch vs Ward II, what other big name/money fight is there for Ward @168? So I can't imagine why he wouldn't want the fight, unless of course it's because Froch wants it in Nottingham.

Ward beat froch that's true but ward knows that regardless of his hand he was fucking puffing in round 9 and fear was sinking in like with Taylor!
He realised froch is rocky balboa in the flesh but with great skill!
Froch is no douche/slouch!
He is a very good boxer and better slugger!
What he did to Johnson is what he would have done to hagler!!

Ward knows he might lose to froch and froch is the only guy in the last and future 200 years that could beat him in any weight so he wants Hearn to make him a huge 5-10 million offer to make it worth the loss!
Ward is so protected by USA and the fans protect him too!
He is a paper champ and is what is wrong with boxing!

Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

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I don't see the problem with Froch-Kessler 2 in the slightest it was a lot more exciting that Froch-Ward or Kessler-Ward and it was a very close fight. I don't see any problem with Froch wanting to avenge the loss and Froch is highly rated after battering Bute. Ward is fighting Pavlik, how is that a good fight?

I have no doubt that if Froch can beat Kessler he would love to fight Ward again, why does Ward think Froch wouldn't want this rematch too? Froch has said on many occasions he wants the rematch but after Kessler. I think Ward is annoyed because he's not in the limelight.

My opinion is he's jelous, he hasn't lost a fight since he was 14, BUT Nobody gives a shit about him. If he retires tomorrow not too many people will care.

I certainly wouldn't.

Yet 2 guys he's already beaten is MASSIVELY boring fashion are having their second fight and the rematch will likely be the the fight of the year.

Mayweather? Bullshit, his fights are generally boring to me too, although he'll make more money.

For boxing fans Froch/Kessler has to be the biggest fight this year.

Unless Canelo/Floyd happens.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

My opinion is he's jelous, he hasn't lost a fight since he was 14, BUT Nobody gives a shit about him. If he retires tomorrow not too many people will care.

I certainly wouldn't.

Yet 2 guys he's already beaten is MASSIVELY boring fashion are having their second fight and the rematch will likely be the the fight of the year.

Mayweather? Bullshit, his fights are generally boring to me too, although he'll make more money.

For boxing fans Froch/Kessler has to be the biggest fight this year.

Unless Canelo/Floyd happens.

^^this and what Dia Bando said sum up the answer to the question asked.

In my opinion he is boring because he spoils, holding mauling, elbows, headbutts and why does he do this? Firstly because the refs seem to allow him to but the main reason is because he doesnt want to stand in punching range in between actually throwing punches because hes shit scared of his chin letting him down again.

Watch the last few rounds of the Bika fight and its embarrasing for the division that this man is regarded as the best purely because hes let to use shitty tactics with no warnings at all!

This is why fans are turning off of him. Admittedly a better boxer wouldnt allow him to hold and smother. If Calzaghe had been coming through now he would be the man to beat Ward. Hopkins usually successful tactics didnt work against Joe, although he went on to beat and frustrate lesser men like Pavlik, Pascal and Cloud (Dawson fought in his own division, if he hadnt had to lose another 7lb he may well have done the same to Ward). Joe wouldnt allow Ward to dictate the pace, Ward wouldnt be allowed to maul and hold. Joe would have been working him over and what Ward looked like in the last few rounds against Bika he would have looked in the middle rounds against Joe, lost!

Originally Posted by ross

In my opinion he is boring because he spoils, holding mauling, elbows, headbutts and why does he do this? Firstly because the refs seem to allow him to but the main reason is because he doesnt want to stand in punching range in between actually throwing punches because hes shit scared of his chin letting him down again.

Watch the last few rounds of the Bika fight and its embarrasing for the division that this man is regarded as the best purely because hes let to use shitty tactics with no warnings at all!

This is why fans are turning off of him. Admittedly a better boxer wouldnt allow him to hold and smother. If Calzaghe had been comng through now he would be the mano beat Ward. Hopkins usually successful tactics didnt work against Joe, although they went on to beat and frustrate lesser men like Pavlik, Pascal and Cloud (Dawson fought in his own division, of he hadnt had to lose another 7lb he may well have done the same to Ward). Joe wouldnt allow Ward to dictate the pace, Ward wouldnt be allowed to maul and hold. Joe would have been working him over and what Ward looked like in the last few rounds against Bika he would have looked in the middle ounds against Joe, lost!

Agreed.

Plus Calzaghe was faster than ward.

Ifs ands or buts sadly have no place in boxing, we can speculate as to who'll win but by the sheer fact that upsets happen we can never know for sure.

I enjoy Ward because I enjoy Hopkins fight as well. I can understand why some/many do not but in all honesty his fight against Dawson was not boring. Also since he is the man of the division he can shit talk anyone he's beaten before. It is after all the right of the conqueror over the conquered.

That being said I am genuinely surprised that Froch isn't in most people's top 10 p4p. Really the man is great and people's obsession with an undefeated fighter is just silly. How Broner and Canelo are considered better than him is beyond me.

I'll even say this. I think he is the best British fighter post Lennox Lewis era.

Originally Posted by Vendettos

My opinion is he's jelous, he hasn't lost a fight since he was 14, BUT Nobody gives a shit about him. If he retires tomorrow not too many people will care.

I certainly wouldn't.

Yet 2 guys he's already beaten is MASSIVELY boring fashion are having their second fight and the rematch will likely be the the fight of the year.

Mayweather? Bullshit, his fights are generally boring to me too, although he'll make more money.

For boxing fans Froch/Kessler has to be the biggest fight this year.

Unless Canelo/Floyd happens.

^^this and what Dia Bando said sum up the answer to the question asked.