Thread: Seriously would Foreman have fought differently in an Ali rematch?

You'd think he'd learned his lesson and wouldnt be a dope again. I say Archie Moore or somebody takes him aside, gives him a slap, and re-tools him like they did well Gil Clancy did a good job after that and George was jabbing like a jack-hammer and throwing great STRAIGHT punches---watch the lyle fight and Dino Dennis and Jimmy YOung fights---George is like a different fighter---see the way he patiently boxes Frazier in the rematch too---Howard Cosell points out in amazement how straight Foreman is throwing his punches compared to those wide arm shots that Ali was mocking him for b4 Zaire.

Do you think Big George could pull it together and win a rematch? I do. Remeber Ali had already lost to Frazier and Norton by that time and took a severe beating (contrary to popular belief) in Zaire--I mean severe--he was really hurt inside, heart was swollen, kidneys were contused, blood in the urine and bladder I think was also bruised from George's bladder shots. as Ali laid on the ropes roping the dope. No way does Ali's body go through another 8 rounds of pounding like that.

After 75 Ali loses.

Before that he has a chance and I think he'd beat Foreman again. Remember the psychological toll that loss had on George ... he lost to an old man past his prime when he was at his peak and just came off two huge wins against Norton and Frazier. Jimmy Young clowned him .. Ali took his heart out with that victory and devastated his psyche.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

You'd think he'd learned his lesson and wouldnt be a dope again. I say Archie Moore or somebody takes him aside, gives him a slap, and re-tools him like they did well Gil Clancy did a good job after that and George was jabbing like a jack-hammer and throwing great STRAIGHT punches---watch the lyle fight and Dino Dennis and Jimmy YOung fights---George is like a different fighter---see the way he patiently boxes Frazier in the rematch too---Howard Cosell points out in amazement how straight Foreman is throwing his punches compared to those wide arm shots that Ali was mocking him for b4 Zaire.

Do you think Big George could pull it together and win a rematch? I do. Remeber Ali had already lost to Frazier and Norton by that time and took a severe beating (contrary to popular belief) in Zaire--I mean severe--he was really hurt inside, heart was swollen, kidneys were contused, blood in the urine and bladder I think was also bruised from George's bladder shots. as Ali laid on the ropes roping the dope. No way does Ali's body go through another 8 rounds of pounding like that.

No way George fights Ali the same way in a 2nd fight.
Good point.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

You'd think he'd learned his lesson and wouldnt be a dope again. I say Archie Moore or somebody takes him aside, gives him a slap, and re-tools him like they did well Gil Clancy did a good job after that and George was jabbing like a jack-hammer and throwing great STRAIGHT punches---watch the lyle fight and Dino Dennis and Jimmy YOung fights---George is like a different fighter---see the way he patiently boxes Frazier in the rematch too---Howard Cosell points out in amazement how straight Foreman is throwing his punches compared to those wide arm shots that Ali was mocking him for b4 Zaire.

Do you think Big George could pull it together and win a rematch? I do. Remeber Ali had already lost to Frazier and Norton by that time and took a severe beating (contrary to popular belief) in Zaire--I mean severe--he was really hurt inside, heart was swollen, kidneys were contused, blood in the urine and bladder I think was also bruised from George's bladder shots. as Ali laid on the ropes roping the dope. No way does Ali's body go through another 8 rounds of pounding like that.

I'm not going to call this a stupid question but I will call it a ridiculous question. OF COURSE, Foreman would have fought a different fight in a rematch!
Foreman may have bought into the fantasy promoted by everyone around him that he could not lose but George is not stupid.
I'm not saying he would have changed the way he fought or that he would have won but a rematch would not have seen Foreman punching himself out.
What makes you think Ali would have fought the same fight? After seeing Foreman up close, Ali--who had a boxing IQ of about a 1000--might have put pressure on Foreman.
A ridiculous but, just maybe, an interesting question. It would be interesting if George or Ali would answer that question.

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

You'd think he'd learned his lesson and wouldnt be a dope again. I say Archie Moore or somebody takes him aside, gives him a slap, and re-tools him like they did well Gil Clancy did a good job after that and George was jabbing like a jack-hammer and throwing great STRAIGHT punches---watch the lyle fight and Dino Dennis and Jimmy YOung fights---George is like a different fighter---see the way he patiently boxes Frazier in the rematch too---Howard Cosell points out in amazement how straight Foreman is throwing his punches compared to those wide arm shots that Ali was mocking him for b4 Zaire.

Do you think Big George could pull it together and win a rematch? I do. Remeber Ali had already lost to Frazier and Norton by that time and took a severe beating (contrary to popular belief) in Zaire--I mean severe--he was really hurt inside, heart was swollen, kidneys were contused, blood in the urine and bladder I think was also bruised from George's bladder shots. as Ali laid on the ropes roping the dope. No way does Ali's body go through another 8 rounds of pounding like that.

Actually no I don't and people call Joe Calzaghe slap happy. Big George got away with clubbing people into submission in his early career and it was not until Young made him find God and go on a 7 year hiatus that he actually returned as a boxer/puncher. In addition Ali was in his head as bad as he was Liston's and imo would have been in more control in a second.

Originally Posted by IamInuit

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

You'd think he'd learned his lesson and wouldnt be a dope again. I say Archie Moore or somebody takes him aside, gives him a slap, and re-tools him like they did well Gil Clancy did a good job after that and George was jabbing like a jack-hammer and throwing great STRAIGHT punches---watch the lyle fight and Dino Dennis and Jimmy YOung fights---George is like a different fighter---see the way he patiently boxes Frazier in the rematch too---Howard Cosell points out in amazement how straight Foreman is throwing his punches compared to those wide arm shots that Ali was mocking him for b4 Zaire.

Do you think Big George could pull it together and win a rematch? I do. Remeber Ali had already lost to Frazier and Norton by that time and took a severe beating (contrary to popular belief) in Zaire--I mean severe--he was really hurt inside, heart was swollen, kidneys were contused, blood in the urine and bladder I think was also bruised from George's bladder shots. as Ali laid on the ropes roping the dope. No way does Ali's body go through another 8 rounds of pounding like that.

Actually no I don't and people call Joe Calzaghe slap happy. Big George got away with clubbing people into submission in his early career and it was not until Young made him find God and go on a 7 year hiatus that he actually returned as a boxer/puncher. In addition Ali was in his head as bad as he was Liston's and imo would have been in more control in a second.

Yup, "Big" George started his ministry after a religious experience that took place in his dressing room after losing to Jimmy Young in 1977.

I would 100% take Big George in a rematch. If he paced himself I think he could even have stopped Ali in the later rounds.

But that's all irrelevant, they had one fight and Ali won when it counted.

Foreman fought a stupid fight against Ali....Foreman had the mindset to blow Ali out of the water...he used all his strenght and stamina in 3 rounds had no plan B and didn't expect any other result than a demolishen job

more fool on George and well done to Ali

If they ever had a rematch i think it could have been different but who knows...Ali might have suckered Foreman into a fight that he could have always won....who knows

job biscuit (that is all for now u toffens)!!!

eh eh!!!

If Foreman and his management thought he would have won he would have tried to make the fight. Ali fought some tough fighters after the Rumble and Foreman was taking on lesser fighters which says that he was not emotionally right to win the rematch. The more experienced head Foreman that came back in the 80’s and 90’s with the young body 70’s would have probably won the first fight never mind a return.

I love Ali ..... but he conned Foreman and got into his head, thats why he won that fight. Thats a one-time con trick and Foreman would not have fallen for it again. Ali pulled off the most outrageous stroke on George, the sheer nerve of the man is unbelievable. But Ali never spoke about a rematch and I think he wanted no part of a young tiger like that if he could avoid it (at that stage of his career)

Logic says that Foreman would probably have won the rematch.

Ali was talking about fighting both Frazier and Foreman in the same night after he beat Foreman.

Foreman losing to Young and losing his heart for boxing is what made this rematch not happen ... add in Ali's advancing age too.

Foreman was emotionally distraught.

i believe that was one of those fights where everything just goes right for a fighter in the build up and on the night

i think 9 times out of 10 at the time of the fight George would have won

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

You'd think he'd learned his lesson and wouldnt be a dope again. I say Archie Moore or somebody takes him aside, gives him a slap, and re-tools him like they did well Gil Clancy did a good job after that and George was jabbing like a jack-hammer and throwing great STRAIGHT punches---watch the lyle fight and Dino Dennis and Jimmy YOung fights---George is like a different fighter---see the way he patiently boxes Frazier in the rematch too---Howard Cosell points out in amazement how straight Foreman is throwing his punches compared to those wide arm shots that Ali was mocking him for b4 Zaire.

Do you think Big George could pull it together and win a rematch? I do. Remeber Ali had already lost to Frazier and Norton by that time and took a severe beating (contrary to popular belief) in Zaire--I mean severe--he was really hurt inside, heart was swollen, kidneys were contused, blood in the urine and bladder I think was also bruised from George's bladder shots. as Ali laid on the ropes roping the dope. No way does Ali's body go through another 8 rounds of pounding like that.

I doubt that Ali wanted a rematch with Foreman, and oddly enough, I don't recall Foreman pushing for one either, he seemed totally demoralized. I do believe that George was more then capable of winning the 1st fight, as well as a rematch.

Originally Posted by Mars_ax

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

You'd think he'd learned his lesson and wouldnt be a dope again. I say Archie Moore or somebody takes him aside, gives him a slap, and re-tools him like they did well Gil Clancy did a good job after that and George was jabbing like a jack-hammer and throwing great STRAIGHT punches---watch the lyle fight and Dino Dennis and Jimmy YOung fights---George is like a different fighter---see the way he patiently boxes Frazier in the rematch too---Howard Cosell points out in amazement how straight Foreman is throwing his punches compared to those wide arm shots that Ali was mocking him for b4 Zaire.

Do you think Big George could pull it together and win a rematch? I do. Remeber Ali had already lost to Frazier and Norton by that time and took a severe beating (contrary to popular belief) in Zaire--I mean severe--he was really hurt inside, heart was swollen, kidneys were contused, blood in the urine and bladder I think was also bruised from George's bladder shots. as Ali laid on the ropes roping the dope. No way does Ali's body go through another 8 rounds of pounding like that.

I doubt that Ali wanted a rematch with Foreman, and oddly enough, I don't recall Foreman pushing for one either, he seemed totally demoralized. I do believe that George was more then capable of winning the 1st fight, as well as a rematch.

George didn't fight again until Janaury 1976 in a very difficult fight with Ron Lyle, by this time Ali had gone through the Thriller In Manila and should've retired. Any realistic re match needed to have occurred in 1975 before Ali fought Frazier a 3rd time, big George was simply not ready at this time and was never quite the same dominant force again. The Jimmy Young loss saw him retire at age 27, way too soon. He lost all confidence after that. It's a shame as i have always liked big George, his demolition of Frazier is one of the most extraordinary performances in Heavyweight history and i wonder how Larry Holmes would've handled big George?