Thread: Only in America!

Only in America are you sure to get at least one bad decision on every fight card.
It's like a reality show, "Who's Getting Screwed Tonight?".
The same thing keeps happening over and over but it seems like the only people who really care are the fans.
I don't see things changing anytime soon. Do you?

No. Its the biggest detraction from boxing, the dirty politics and mob rule of boxing with terribly corrupt decisions.

We hate them. We keep track of them. We sign petitions, but what else can we do ?

What else could we do?

How does boxing make money? By people paying to watch it.

People could boycott the matches and not buy tickets of pay per views.

Originally Posted by ross

What else could we do?

How does boxing make money? By people paying to watch it.

People could boycott the matches and not buy tickets of pay per views.

That is the only possible way shitty decisions will ever be stopped. Boxing is run by greedy vultures they are never going to have a change of conscience they need to be hit where it hurts. Won't happen in our lifetime, society we all live in today has no back bone.

thing is, half the results that people complain about arent really bad decisions, at least a percentage of people believe them to be right

pac marquez 3 was a classic example of a decision a lot of people were upset about yet a good percentage agreed

where would you start?

Well, maybe some who could be bothered, possibly fightscorecollector, compile a list of fights that are supposedly robberies and find common denominators like judges, refs, sanctioning bodies, promoters, countires etc and then do something with info?

Originally Posted by ross

Well, maybe some who could be bothered, possibly fightscorecollector, compile a list of fights that are supposedly robberies and find common denominators like judges, refs, sanctioning bodies, promoters, countires etc and then do something with info?

That's a heavy load to put on fightscorecollector but if he is willing it would raise awareness, at least.
I like the idea of tracking judges, especially those involved in questionable decisions. The "lone judge out" is also going to be helpful in identifying problem judges.
The most important thing is educating all the judges to the same level, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by ross

Well, maybe some who could be bothered, possibly fightscorecollector, compile a list of fights that are supposedly robberies and find common denominators like judges, refs, sanctioning bodies, promoters, countires etc and then do something with info?

That's a heavy load to put on fightscorecollector but if he was willing it would raise awareness, at least./

I bet you Arum is a feature of a fair few robberies.

Originally Posted by ross

What else could we do?

How does boxing make money? By people paying to watch it.

People could boycott the matches and not buy tickets of pay per views.

Yes, thats the obvious answer and what my Dad thinks should happen in an IDEAL WORLD.

But in the real world we both know that the rabid hardcore boxing fans are never going to stop watching all boxing in unison and boycott it.

Also, boycotting boxing would prevent the hard working fighters from getting paid their just due.

Originally Posted by Hulk

Originally Posted by ross

What else could we do?

How does boxing make money? By people paying to watch it.

People could boycott the matches and not buy tickets of pay per views.

Yes, thats the obvious answer and what my Dad thinks should happen in an IDEAL WORLD.

But in the real world we both know that the rabid hardcore boxing fans are never going to stop watching all boxing in unison and boycott it.

Also, boycotting boxing would prevent the hard working fighters from getting paid their just due.

I've tried and always lose the battle of not watching.

The only thing we can do is keep gathering information on judges involved in bad decisions.

When we have enough information to show a pattern of incompetence, or a pattern of incompetence biased towards a specific party then we can start yelling foul.

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by ross

Well, maybe some who could be bothered, possibly fightscorecollector, compile a list of fights that are supposedly robberies and find common denominators like judges, refs, sanctioning bodies, promoters, countires etc and then do something with info?

That's a heavy load to put on fightscorecollector but if he is willing it would raise awareness, at least.
I like the idea of tracking judges, especially those involved in questionable decisions. The "lone judge out" is also going to be helpful in identifying problem judges.
The most important thing is educating all the judges to the same level, in my opinion.

ha

is fightscorecollector gonna rescue boxing in america?

i think the issue is what you see as a bad result i dont and someone else sees it a completely different way

in boxing theres no score so no matter what happens it will never be solved

in other sports the score decides

in 2006 england played portugal in the world cup quarter final, we absolutely battered them even after going down to 10 men, that game could have lasted 4 weeks and portugal would never have scored and england had a number of chances and all the play

the game finished 0-0, if it would have been a boxing fight england would have won every round on all the judges cards

we went out on penalties

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by ross

Well, maybe some who could be bothered, possibly fightscorecollector, compile a list of fights that are supposedly robberies and find common denominators like judges, refs, sanctioning bodies, promoters, countires etc and then do something with info?

That's a heavy load to put on fightscorecollector but if he is willing it would raise awareness, at least.
I like the idea of tracking judges, especially those involved in questionable decisions. The "lone judge out" is also going to be helpful in identifying problem judges.
The most important thing is educating all the judges to the same level, in my opinion.

ha

is fightscorecollector gonna rescue boxing in america?

i think the issue is what you see as a bad result i dont and someone else sees it a completely different way

in boxing theres no score so no matter what happens it will never be solved

in other sports the score decides

in 2006 england played portugal in the world cup quarter final, we absolutely battered them even after going down to 10 men, that game could have lasted 4 weeks and portugal would never have scored and england had a number of chances and all the play

the game finished 0-0, if it would have been a boxing fight england would have won every round on all the judges cards

we went out on penalties

If it was amateur boxing it would be like football, punches scored, goals scored and if it ends up a draw then you go through the three deciding factors LSD. Who lead? Who had the better style or who had the better defence. This is where amateur boxing is fairer than a penalty shoot out in football.

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by ross

Well, maybe some who could be bothered, possibly fightscorecollector, compile a list of fights that are supposedly robberies and find common denominators like judges, refs, sanctioning bodies, promoters, countires etc and then do something with info?

That's a heavy load to put on fightscorecollector but if he is willing it would raise awareness, at least.
I like the idea of tracking judges, especially those involved in questionable decisions. The "lone judge out" is also going to be helpful in identifying problem judges.
The most important thing is educating all the judges to the same level, in my opinion.

ha

is fightscorecollector gonna rescue boxing in america?

i think the issue is what you see as a bad result i dont and someone else sees it a completely different way

in boxing theres no score so no matter what happens it will never be solved

in other sports the score decides

in 2006 england played portugal in the world cup quarter final, we absolutely battered them even after going down to 10 men, that game could have lasted 4 weeks and portugal would never have scored and england had a number of chances and all the play

the game finished 0-0, if it would have been a boxing fight england would have won every round on all the judges cards

we went out on penalties

If it was amateur boxing it would be like football, punches scored, goals scored and if it ends up a draw then you go through the three deciding factors LSD. Who lead? Who had the better style or who had the better defence. This is where amateur boxing is fairer than a penalty shoot out in football.

think scoring like in the ams would help?

this that would be as exciting as the professsional way?

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Only in America are you sure to get at least one bad decision on every fight card.
It's like a reality show, "Who's Getting Screwed Tonight?".
The same thing keeps happening over and over but it seems like the only people who really care are the fans.
I don't see things changing anytime soon. Do you?

Thank God we already know that America is everywhere.

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by erics44

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Originally Posted by ross

Well, maybe some who could be bothered, possibly fightscorecollector, compile a list of fights that are supposedly robberies and find common denominators like judges, refs, sanctioning bodies, promoters, countires etc and then do something with info?

That's a heavy load to put on fightscorecollector but if he is willing it would raise awareness, at least.
I like the idea of tracking judges, especially those involved in questionable decisions. The "lone judge out" is also going to be helpful in identifying problem judges.
The most important thing is educating all the judges to the same level, in my opinion.

ha

is fightscorecollector gonna rescue boxing in america?

i think the issue is what you see as a bad result i dont and someone else sees it a completely different way

in boxing theres no score so no matter what happens it will never be solved

in other sports the score decides

in 2006 england played portugal in the world cup quarter final, we absolutely battered them even after going down to 10 men, that game could have lasted 4 weeks and portugal would never have scored and england had a number of chances and all the play

the game finished 0-0, if it would have been a boxing fight england would have won every round on all the judges cards

we went out on penalties

If it was amateur boxing it would be like football, punches scored, goals scored and if it ends up a draw then you go through the three deciding factors LSD. Who lead? Who had the better style or who had the better defence. This is where amateur boxing is fairer than a penalty shoot out in football.

think scoring like in the ams would help?

this that would be as exciting as the professsional way?

Scoring a pro fight like an am fight, I dont know. They might end up like prizefighter bouts, just hell for leather which would be exciting but then the longer distance fights would still be fought at a slower pace but you could also end up with boring point scorers like how the britts are finally cottoning on at world level in the ams. Not exciting pretty fights and they would do nothing in the pros against tough opponents.

I do think its unfair to just have a winner and loser of each round. A 3 round fight in the pros, you lose 2 rounds, youv lost unless you can score a stoppage, whereas in the ams you can still overtake on points in the third even if you lost or scored nothing in the first and second.

I dont know.